rec.autos.simulators

> I'm not trying to be a smartass....but do you think perhaps we might have
> different "standards" of what we consider "mistakes?"

> At least a third of the field in yesterday's RASCAR-WG race should not
have
> been in that race (or any online race at WG - IMHO).  They couldn't
control
> their cars well enough to stay on track for more than a lap or two....some
> weren't that good (look at the penalties list...for how many "cuts" of the
> IL were handed out....I haven't seen that many penalties for that
infraction
> since the last "pickup" race I ran at WG on
> Sierra.com.....lol........funny...but really not so funny).  A "mistake"
(on
> a road course) is missing an apex or braking point by a foot or two.....or
> maybe failing to adjust a braking point up track as the tires transition,
> resulting in a dropped wheel into the grass and a 1/2 second added to the
> lap time.  I'm not going to hammer this issue.......I think the point is
> made.  I would have enjoyed racing the guys in the top-10, unfortunately
the
> quality of the rest of the drivers prevented that.  Its is my opinion that
> this will continue as long as the RASCAR events fail to distinguish
between
> the wide disparity of  racing experience that exists among visitors to
> r.a.s.  The fact that you can sign on to a newsgroup, make a
> post....doesn't/shouldn't automatically give you a "ticket" into an online
> race in N2K2.  As it stands, the RASCAR events (IMHO) will continue to be
> nothing more than pickup races on Sierra.com......and I can do that 24/7
> without having to dedicate a window of valuable time on my weekends.

> Unless you guys decide to run "invitation only" RASCAR races, or maybe
even
> hold "experienced" and "beginners" races separately.....I won't be running
> with you again.  As I said at the top, I'm not trying to be a smartass
about
> this.  But, I've earned the right to choose who I want to race
> with/against.....with thousands of hours of practice and race experience.
> If I choose not to race with beginners....I don't think that should
> automatically put them down or anything like that.  I was a beginner once,
> too.  And at fully more than a third of the N2K2 tracks.......I still am a
> beginner.  But, I respect racing and the other competitors on the track
with
> me enough not to enter races where I'll be nothing more than a moving
> chicane, unable to do much more than stay on the track for a lap or two,
> unable to run competitive laps AND watch my mirrors, AND maintain complete
> "race situational awareness" AND hold my line when lapped....etc., etc.
My
> "hat is off" to those guys who qualified in the top-10 yesterday......and
> those who had enough good judgment about their racing abilities and
> experience at WG-N2K2.......not to have entered the RASCAR race yesterday.

> And, ultimately - I don't think anyone really gives a rats-ass whether I
run
> in the RASCAR events or not.  The way you guys are running these events as
> of now, my choice is "not."  And, that's a decision I have a right to
make.
> If someone gets offended by that......then that's their problem, not mine.

> I have a strong suspicion that I am not the only one who has this opinion
of
> the RASCAR events.....as they've been so far.  But, that's really not even
> important in the long run.

> Regards,

> Tom

> > "Tom Pabst" wrote...
> > > I did.....yesterday morning....about 9:30 am (Pacific).
> > > However, unless you guys switch to "invitation only" races,
> > > I won't be racing with you again.

> > My replay is inconclusive as to your tribulations in the race... what
was
> > the problem?

> > Haven't looked at anything and everything in this race, but on the whole
> > things went well, IMO. You can't expect people to not make mistakes in
> > online races. Not in such open nature races as these, anyway.

> > Jan.
> > =---

> I'm not trying to be a smartass....but do you think perhaps we might have
> different "standards" of what we consider "mistakes?"

> At least a third of the field in yesterday's RASCAR-WG race should not
have
> been in that race (or any online race at WG - IMHO).  They couldn't
control
> their cars well enough to stay on track for more than a lap or two....some
> weren't that good (look at the penalties list...for how many "cuts" of the
> IL were handed out....I haven't seen that many penalties for that
infraction
> since the last "pickup" race I ran at WG on
> Sierra.com.....lol........funny...but really not so funny).  A "mistake"
(on
> a road course) is missing an apex or braking point by a foot or two.....or
> maybe failing to adjust a braking point up track as the tires transition,
> resulting in a dropped wheel into the grass and a 1/2 second added to the
> lap time.  I'm not going to hammer this issue.......I think the point is
> made.  I would have enjoyed racing the guys in the top-10, unfortunately
the
> quality of the rest of the drivers prevented that.  Its is my opinion that
> this will continue as long as the RASCAR events fail to distinguish
between
> the wide disparity of  racing experience that exists among visitors to
> r.a.s.  The fact that you can sign on to a newsgroup, make a
> post....doesn't/shouldn't automatically give you a "ticket" into an online
> race in N2K2.  As it stands, the RASCAR events (IMHO) will continue to be
> nothing more than pickup races on Sierra.com......and I can do that 24/7
> without having to dedicate a window of valuable time on my weekends.

> Unless you guys decide to run "invitation only" RASCAR races, or maybe
even
> hold "experienced" and "beginners" races separately.....I won't be running
> with you again.  As I said at the top, I'm not trying to be a smartass
about
> this.  But, I've earned the right to choose who I want to race
> with/against.....with thousands of hours of practice and race experience.
> If I choose not to race with beginners....I don't think that should
> automatically put them down or anything like that.  I was a beginner once,
> too.  And at fully more than a third of the N2K2 tracks.......I still am a
> beginner.  But, I respect racing and the other competitors on the track
with
> me enough not to enter races where I'll be nothing more than a moving
> chicane, unable to do much more than stay on the track for a lap or two,
> unable to run competitive laps AND watch my mirrors, AND maintain complete
> "race situational awareness" AND hold my line when lapped....etc., etc.
My
> "hat is off" to those guys who qualified in the top-10 yesterday......and
> those who had enough good judgment about their racing abilities and
> experience at WG-N2K2.......not to have entered the RASCAR race yesterday.

> And, ultimately - I don't think anyone really gives a rats-ass whether I
run
> in the RASCAR events or not.  The way you guys are running these events as
> of now, my choice is "not."  And, that's a decision I have a right to
make.
> If someone gets offended by that......then that's their problem, not mine.

> I have a strong suspicion that I am not the only one who has this opinion
of
> the RASCAR events.....as they've been so far.  But, that's really not even
> important in the long run.

> Regards,

> Tom

> > "Tom Pabst" wrote...
> > > I did.....yesterday morning....about 9:30 am (Pacific).
> > > However, unless you guys switch to "invitation only" races,
> > > I won't be racing with you again.

> > My replay is inconclusive as to your tribulations in the race... what
was
> > the problem?

> > Haven't looked at anything and everything in this race, but on the whole
> > things went well, IMO. You can't expect people to not make mistakes in
> > online races. Not in such open nature races as these, anyway.

> > Jan.
> > =---

> I'm not trying to be a smartass....but do you think perhaps we might have
> different "standards" of what we consider "mistakes?"

> At least a third of the field in yesterday's RASCAR-WG race should not
have
> been in that race (or any online race at WG - IMHO).  They couldn't
control
> their cars well enough to stay on track for more than a lap or two....some
> weren't that good (look at the penalties list...for how many "cuts" of the
> IL were handed out....I haven't seen that many penalties for that
infraction
> since the last "pickup" race I ran at WG on
> Sierra.com.....lol........funny...but really not so funny).  A "mistake"
(on
> a road course) is missing an apex or braking point by a foot or two.....or
> maybe failing to adjust a braking point up track as the tires transition,
> resulting in a dropped wheel into the grass and a 1/2 second added to the
> lap time.  I'm not going to hammer this issue.......I think the point is
> made.  I would have enjoyed racing the guys in the top-10, unfortunately
the
> quality of the rest of the drivers prevented that.  Its is my opinion that
> this will continue as long as the RASCAR events fail to distinguish
between
> the wide disparity of  racing experience that exists among visitors to
> r.a.s.  The fact that you can sign on to a newsgroup, make a
> post....doesn't/shouldn't automatically give you a "ticket" into an online
> race in N2K2.  As it stands, the RASCAR events (IMHO) will continue to be
> nothing more than pickup races on Sierra.com......and I can do that 24/7
> without having to dedicate a window of valuable time on my weekends.

> Unless you guys decide to run "invitation only" RASCAR races, or maybe
even
> hold "experienced" and "beginners" races separately.....I won't be running
> with you again.  As I said at the top, I'm not trying to be a smartass
about
> this.  But, I've earned the right to choose who I want to race
> with/against.....with thousands of hours of practice and race experience.
> If I choose not to race with beginners....I don't think that should
> automatically put them down or anything like that.  I was a beginner once,
> too.  And at fully more than a third of the N2K2 tracks.......I still am a
> beginner.  But, I respect racing and the other competitors on the track
with
> me enough not to enter races where I'll be nothing more than a moving
> chicane, unable to do much more than stay on the track for a lap or two,
> unable to run competitive laps AND watch my mirrors, AND maintain complete
> "race situational awareness" AND hold my line when lapped....etc., etc.
My
> "hat is off" to those guys who qualified in the top-10 yesterday......and
> those who had enough good judgment about their racing abilities and
> experience at WG-N2K2.......not to have entered the RASCAR race yesterday.

> And, ultimately - I don't think anyone really gives a rats-ass whether I
run
> in the RASCAR events or not.  The way you guys are running these events as
> of now, my choice is "not."  And, that's a decision I have a right to
make.
> If someone gets offended by that......then that's their problem, not mine.

> I have a strong suspicion that I am not the only one who has this opinion
of
> the RASCAR events.....as they've been so far.  But, that's really not even
> important in the long run.

> Regards,

> Tom

> > "Tom Pabst" wrote...
> > > I did.....yesterday morning....about 9:30 am (Pacific).
> > > However, unless you guys switch to "invitation only" races,
> > > I won't be racing with you again.

> > My replay is inconclusive as to your tribulations in the race... what
was
> > the problem?

> > Haven't looked at anything and everything in this race, but on the whole
> > things went well, IMO. You can't expect people to not make mistakes in
> > online races. Not in such open nature races as these, anyway.

> > Jan.
> > =---

> > I'm not trying to be a smartass....but do you think perhaps we might
have
> > different "standards" of what we consider "mistakes?"

> > At least a third of the field in yesterday's RASCAR-WG race should not
have
> > been in that race (or any online race at WG - IMHO).  They couldn't
control
> > their cars well enough to stay on track for more than a lap or
two....some
> > weren't that good (look at the penalties list...for how many "cuts" of
the
> > IL were handed out....

> Tom, my "penalty" was because after screwin' the pooch (and spinning to
> the left) at the entrance to the inner loop, I decided that instead of
> pulling onto the track into traffic, I would use the section of road
> that extends beyond the cones that keeps you from running striaght
> through.  I wasn't trying to cheat the course (remember, I spun into
> that area), but the sim deemed it fit to award me with the black flag.
> I had never spun ionto that area before, and I was not expecting to be
> penalized.  Since I left early (I felt I was more of a road block than
> anything else) I can't comment on anyone else's black flags.

> So, as you can see, cutting the inner loop isn't always as simple as bad
> driving.  In my case, I was just trying to stay out of the way.

> I think you're being way too *** the Rascar guys.  None of us are
> professsional drivers.

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> I'm sorry that that happened. It was not intended and I have learnt by my
> mistake. However, I suppose under your scheme, I would never be invited
> back.

> If beginners can only race with beginners how do we learn

> Lee

> > Jan...

> > I'm not trying to be a smartass....but do you think perhaps we might
have
> > different "standards" of what we consider "mistakes?"

> > At least a third of the field in yesterday's RASCAR-WG race should not
> have
> > been in that race (or any online race at WG - IMHO).  They couldn't
> control
> > their cars well enough to stay on track for more than a lap or
two....some
> > weren't that good (look at the penalties list...for how many "cuts" of
the
> > IL were handed out....I haven't seen that many penalties for that
> infraction
> > since the last "pickup" race I ran at WG on
> > Sierra.com.....lol........funny...but really not so funny).  A "mistake"
> (on
> > a road course) is missing an apex or braking point by a foot or
two.....or
> > maybe failing to adjust a braking point up track as the tires
transition,
> > resulting in a dropped wheel into the grass and a 1/2 second added to
the
> > lap time.  I'm not going to hammer this issue.......I think the point is
> > made.  I would have enjoyed racing the guys in the top-10, unfortunately
> the
> > quality of the rest of the drivers prevented that.  Its is my opinion
that
> > this will continue as long as the RASCAR events fail to distinguish
> between
> > the wide disparity of  racing experience that exists among visitors to
> > r.a.s.  The fact that you can sign on to a newsgroup, make a
> > post....doesn't/shouldn't automatically give you a "ticket" into an
online
> > race in N2K2.  As it stands, the RASCAR events (IMHO) will continue to
be
> > nothing more than pickup races on Sierra.com......and I can do that 24/7
> > without having to dedicate a window of valuable time on my weekends.

> > Unless you guys decide to run "invitation only" RASCAR races, or maybe
> even
> > hold "experienced" and "beginners" races separately.....I won't be
running
> > with you again.  As I said at the top, I'm not trying to be a smartass
> about
> > this.  But, I've earned the right to choose who I want to race
> > with/against.....with thousands of hours of practice and race
experience.
> > If I choose not to race with beginners....I don't think that should
> > automatically put them down or anything like that.  I was a beginner
once,
> > too.  And at fully more than a third of the N2K2 tracks.......I still am
a
> > beginner.  But, I respect racing and the other competitors on the track
> with
> > me enough not to enter races where I'll be nothing more than a moving
> > chicane, unable to do much more than stay on the track for a lap or two,
> > unable to run competitive laps AND watch my mirrors, AND maintain
complete
> > "race situational awareness" AND hold my line when lapped....etc., etc.
> My
> > "hat is off" to those guys who qualified in the top-10
yesterday......and
> > those who had enough good judgment about their racing abilities and
> > experience at WG-N2K2.......not to have entered the RASCAR race
yesterday.

> > And, ultimately - I don't think anyone really gives a rats-ass whether I
> run
> > in the RASCAR events or not.  The way you guys are running these events
as
> > of now, my choice is "not."  And, that's a decision I have a right to
> make.
> > If someone gets offended by that......then that's their problem, not
mine.

> > I have a strong suspicion that I am not the only one who has this
opinion
> of
> > the RASCAR events.....as they've been so far.  But, that's really not
even
> > important in the long run.

> > Regards,

> > Tom

> > > "Tom Pabst" wrote...
> > > > I did.....yesterday morning....about 9:30 am (Pacific).
> > > > However, unless you guys switch to "invitation only" races,
> > > > I won't be racing with you again.

> > > My replay is inconclusive as to your tribulations in the race... what
> was
> > > the problem?

> > > Haven't looked at anything and everything in this race, but on the
whole
> > > things went well, IMO. You can't expect people to not make mistakes in
> > > online races. Not in such open nature races as these, anyway.

> > > Jan.
> > > =---