Jan....
No harm, no foul.....
news:ZSW59.62457$8o4.8392@afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> "Tom Pabst" wrote...
> > Jan...
> > I'm not trying to be a smartass....but do you think perhaps
> > we might have different "standards" of what we consider
> > "mistakes?"
> I don't know. I don't think so, actually. We do seem to have different
> levels of tolerance towards them.
> > At least a third of the field in yesterday's RASCAR-WG race
> > should not have been in that race (or any online race at WG
> > - IMHO). They couldn't control their cars well enough to
> > stay on track for more than a lap or two....some weren't that
> > good (look at the penalties list...for how many "cuts" of the
> > IL were handed out....I haven't seen that many penalties for
> > that infraction since the last "pickup" race I ran at WG on
> > Sierra.com.....lol........funny...but really not so funny).
> Of the two people who fell victim to this penalty I've spoken to, neither
> realised one has to come to a full stop in the escape road at the IL to
> avoid the penalty. I will agree with you these people should have read
their
> manual (page 17), but on the other hand the penalty only messes them up
and
> promotes drivers who either knew the rules or had enough car control to
stay
> out of trouble. Losing a race or a couple positions because one wasn't
> prepared enough is the self punishing nature of motorracing and is the way
> most people learn the finer points. I'm quite happy to let nature take
it's
> course in this respect. I also wouldn't have minded sitting out a
subsequent
> yellow if they'd been enabled.
> > A "mistake" (on a road course) is missing an apex or braking
> > point by a foot or two.....or maybe failing to adjust a
> >braking point up track as the tires transition, resulting in a
> > dropped wheel into the grass and a 1/2 second added to the lap
> > time. I'm not going to hammer this issue.......I think the
> > point is made. I would have enjoyed racing the guys in the
> > top-10, unfortunately the quality of the rest of the drivers
> > prevented that.
> There is quite a mix of ability present at RASCAR events, which is
> consistent with it's conception. RASCAR was born out of a hesitation by
> several r.a.s. posters, experienced online GPL simmers and relative
> beginners to venture into online NASCAR racing, as the online climate for
> these games was perceived to be newbie hostile. I came up with the idea of
> hosting races for r.a.s. posters on a private server, so we wouldn't have
to
> fear retribution in the form of verbal abuse or having our CD-key revoked
if
> we got off on the wrong foot. No commitment, no points, just races. Almost
> immediately there was interest from experienced online NASCAR racers to
also
> participate. As r.a.s. contributers, they obviously were allowed to race,
> but I think it was made clear at the outset that they'd be sharing the
track
> with people to whom the oval experience, at best, was a new one.
> This doesn't mean anything goes. Far from it... people who failed to
realise
> they were causing trouble have had their comeuppance<sp?> on this very
> forum. Again, my replay of the race fails to show any significant
dunderhead
> driving. Couple of guys tripped over eachother as I was about to lap them
> and that got pretty ugly, as online accidents have a tendency to do under
> the influence of latency, but otherwise it looked ok to me. Over abundance
> of yellows has been reduced significantly over the more recent races.
> Pretty much like I said in the beginning, those who can pick it up fairly
> quickly will, those who can't will drop out over time. It's a process
every
> "new" online group goes through.
> > Its is my opinion that this will continue as long as the RASCAR events
> > fail to distinguish between the wide disparity of racing experience
> > that exists among visitors to r.a.s. The fact that you can sign on to
> > a newsgroup, make a post....doesn't/shouldn't automatically give you a
> > "ticket" into an online race in N2K2. As it stands, the RASCAR events
> > (IMHO) will continue to be nothing more than pickup races on Sierra.com
> > ......and I can do that 24/7 without having to dedicate a window of
> > valuable time on my weekends.
> > Unless you guys decide to run "invitation only" RASCAR races, or maybe
> > even hold "experienced" and "beginners" races separately.....I won't be
> > running with you again. As I said at the top, I'm not trying to be a
> > smartass about this. But, I've earned the right to choose who I want
> > to race with/against.....with thousands of hours of practice and race
> > experience.
> > If I choose not to race with beginners....I don't think that should
> > automatically put them down or anything like that. I was a beginner
> > once, too. And at fully more than a third of the N2K2 tracks.......I
> > still am a beginner. But, I respect racing and the other competitors
> > on the track with me enough not to enter races where I'll be nothing
> > more than a moving chicane, unable to do much more than stay on the
> > track for a lap or two, unable to run competitive laps AND watch my
> > mirrors, AND maintain complete "race situational awareness" AND hold
> > my line when lapped....etc., etc. My "hat is off" to those guys who
> > qualified in the top-10 yesterday......and those who had enough good
> > judgment about their racing abilities and experience at WG-N2K2.......
> > not to have entered the RASCAR race yesterday.
> Well, it's my opinion even the worst RASCAR race is better than any pickup
> race as I don't have to sit and "listen" to people calling eachother
> "dickhead" when an accident occurs.
> However, it's clear your expectations of online NASCAR races differ
greatly
> and it's indeed your perogative to not do something that is no fun to you.
> > And, ultimately - I don't think anyone really gives a rats-ass
> > whether I run in the RASCAR events or not. The way you guys are
> > running these events as of now, my choice is "not." And, that's
> > a decision I have a right to make. If someone gets offended by that
> > ......then that's their problem, not mine.
> > I have a strong suspicion that I am not the only one who has this
> > opinion of the RASCAR events.....as they've been so far. But,
> > that's really not even important in the long run.
> Well, I care as the more experienced races are in a given race, the
greater
> peer pressure is to keep one's shit together.
> I know where you're coming from, though... you have a racer outlook on
> racing. I like that, eventhough I think you carry it through to far when
in
> view of the many people treating simracing as recreation rather than
sport.
> Current situation is such that anyone buying the game has and, somewhat
> justifiably, expects almost default access to a fairly high level of
> competition. Indicriminantly passing out hard truths is not going to make
> one a popular character in these circles.
> That said, seeing as I'm sort of responsible for this whole "mess" (having
> suggested the races and bought the server copy of the game) I'd like to
> apologise for the reaction this message provoked from some posters. I take
> it as a testament to your character and your dedication to simming you
made
> some suggestions nonetheless, although I would have preferred you had not
> taken it upon yourself to launch a vote on the issue.
> Regards,
> Jan.
> =---