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by **μartij** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Don't you know it's illegal to shoot someone?

Or: with this response you make a total idiot out of yourself. That would
normally be funny, but in this case, you seem pretty dangerous. You should
get some proffesional help soon, if you have an urge to shoot people.
Thankfully that's none of my concern, as your message screams "I'm a dumb
American" all over the place, and that's far away from me.

by **μartij** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I fully agree. I find it very insulting to the hearing-impaired emplyee
that they put him in a position where his handicap is so obvious. They
could have found a job for him where his handicap is no problem, (like
email-helpdesk, whetever), thereby removing BOTH the frustration of the
customer, and of the employee himself.

I'm very glad that you, as "hearing impaired" person, give your view on
this subject in such an honest statement.

by **daxe rexfor** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>The correct answer is the former. Shit happens. Think nice thoughts
>about the company helping this guy out (c'mon, if you're not going to let
>someone corral grocery carts, what *are* you going to let someone do?) and
>then get on the phone to your insurance company.

So my having to go through the hassle of dealing with my insurance company
and getting my car repaired is OK as long as this fellow has a job? I don't
think so. If it was an honest mistake, then the 'sh*t happens' applies, but
if it's based on the fact that the person essentially doesn't know what they
are doing, then things are a little different in my view.

Don't think for a second that the company hired the guy out of the goodness
of their hearts, either. I'm sure this person will work for the absolute
minimum wage without complaining about it and the little tax break the
company gets for hiring a disabled person probably helps, too.

The guy will probably work there until the store gets fed up with irate
customers complaining about having their cars dented (which is what I did)
or being on the paying end of suits from insurance companies at which time
they will fire the guy because he had no business doing that job in the
first place. He'd be fine in a job like, say, collapsing boxes in the
storeroom or somewhere else where the company who hired him takes the risk
for his errors, rather than the public.

~daxe

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by **Chuck Kandle** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> I'll throw another log on this fire. About 3 days after I bought my current
> automobile I was sitting in the parking lot of a supermarket eating my lunch
> and reading. Suddenly, I hear a *BANG* and look up to see the person
> collecting shopping carts in the parking lot had shoved a string of carts
> into the side of my car. It's black and has no side impact strips (my car),
> so I suddenly have a nice big dent in the side of my new car courtesy of
> this person. I watched as he wrestled the carts away and bumped into
> another car on the way to the little cart corral. I also noticed the person
> was developmentally disabled. I imagine he does a great job 95% of the
> time, but the other 5% of the time he shoves the carts into the sides of
> people's cars. Should I just think nice thoughts about how the supermarket
> did society a favor by hiring this guy or should I be pissed that they hired
> someone without enough mental wherewithall not to destroy people's cars? He
> does a great job 95% of the time afterall, right?

> ~daxe

My God, what a selfish outlook! Just turn it in as a "parking lot
incident". I agree that the place is doing well to hire such folk.
Don't put his job in jeopardy. If the whole situation is unacceptable,
just don't shop there. I think most people are compassionate enough to
understand.

I used to live with a deaf family about 20 years ago. Learned sign
language right quick. Believe me, they understand very well the
Neanderthals that exist in the hearing world. And some are very capable
of talking on the phone, those who get some benefit from hearing aids.
They are still not up to our level many times, but can certainly
accomplish their tasks.

You'll find that a little understanding can go a long way. You never
know when you or one of yours is in the same boat, observing the world's
cruel attitudes towards *YOU*.

--
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by **The Enigmatic O** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

MAy you have a stroke or something tonight and end up severely
disabled. It would serve an *** like you right.

-Tim

by **MrScar** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Geez you guys are being too *** this fellow. What he is saying is
essentially right. It is great that a company will give a mentally
handicapped person a job. However, it is not fair to make other people
suffer in the process. All he is pointing out is the fact that the company
should have assigned this person a position that would keep him out of
situations where he could cause harm, and that is exactly what they should
have done.

Someone denting your car might not be a big deal to you, but it certainly is
to me. No matter how good the body shop that repairs the damage is, it will
never be the same. Whether the person who does it is handicapped or not
makes no difference. I could have accepted the accident, if in fact that's
what is was, an accident. But from what this fellow said, this could AND
should have been prevented.

You guys need to think reasonably and logically instead of worrying whether
or not you're being 100% politically correct. If I deserve a stroke for
feeling this way then so be it.

>>The guy will probably work there until the store gets fed up with irate
>>customers complaining about having their cars dented (which is what I did)
>>or being on the paying end of suits from insurance companies at which time
>>they will fire the guy because he had no business doing that job in the
>>first place. He'd be fine in a job like, say, collapsing boxes in the
>>storeroom or somewhere else where the company who hired him takes the risk
>>for his errors, rather than the public.

> MAy you have a stroke or something tonight and end up severely
>disabled. It would serve an *** like you right.

> -Tim

by **Bob Curti** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

You've definitely chosen the wrong handle. You're not enigmatic at all. It's
very plain you're a superficial, knee-jerk reactionary, drooling moron.

Why don't you just change your name to "The Foolish One"

> MAy you have a stroke or something tonight and end up severely
> disabled. It would serve an *** like you right.

> -Tim

--
Bob Curtin
Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange
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"If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy
skin"

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Augh! I seem to be "winning impaired" in GPL so you guys take it easy on
me, ok?

(Just trying to blend some sim stuff back into this thread).

;) Slot

>>I call EB to find out if they have a LWFF, only to find a recording that
>>says, "The employee at this store is hearing impaired, please dial 1-800-
>>bla bla bla, then ask the operator to dial 813-blah blah blah." So then,
>>when I try it, no one even answers! AAAAAAHHHHHHHH DONT PUT A GODDAMN DEAF
>>PERSON TO ANSWER DAMN PHONES

by **David Kar** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I saw nothing in that post which (a) accepted mediocrity or, (b) was not
"honest and equal."

Nice, though, to see that we have someone in our list who knows just exactly
what "the handicapped" (as if they formed some sort of monolithic entity)
desired.

DK,
now vacating this thread for good

> It is this mentality that breeds mediocrity and society's acceptance of
it.

> Get off your politically-correct soapbox and be honest and equal in your
> approach to the handicapped. That is all they ask.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > My God, what a selfish outlook! Just turn it in as a "parking lot
> > incident". I agree that the place is doing well to hire such folk.
> > Don't put his job in jeopardy. If the whole situation is unacceptable,
> > just don't shop there. I think most people are compassionate enough to
> > understand.

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by **daxe rexfor** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>>Don't put his job in jeopardy.

Perhaps this is at the root of this disagreement. I didn't push a line of
shopping carts into the side of my car (and another while I watched), he
did. The problem started with this person's actions, not mine. I didn't put
his job in jeopardy, he did. If a person can't even be expected to be
accountable for their actions, that is further reason to question their
suitability to do a given job, disabled or not.

~daxe

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by **daxe rexfor** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> MAy you have a stroke or something tonight and end up severely
>disabled. It would serve an *** like you right.

Instead of just calling me names, why don't you take a stab at articulating
exactly what it is that I am saying which is fundamentally wrong or bigoted?

If you were reading along the entire time, you would know that I do have a
condition that I could easily treat as a disability. I go out of my way to
NOT make it anyone else's problem. It escapes me how I get to being selfish
or bigoted by expecting other people to manage their own problems, too.

~daxe

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by **daxe rexfor** » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>You'd suggest I
>would better serve this handicapped gentleman by entering the store &
>raving like a lunatic at his employer, demanding his job? Baloney!

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I did mention bringing the shopping
cart incident to the store's attention, so I thought I might follow up on
that.

I calmly went in to the service desk and asked to speak to the manager.
When the manager appeared, I said, "I just wanted to let you know that the
person you have collecting shopping carts outside dented my car and I saw
him run into another car the same way. I don't want any compensation or
anything, but you might want to reevaluate letting him do that job."

I really hope the manager didn't drag the guy aside and tell him he was
fired, but instead found something else for him to do that didn't have the
same potential to cause problems for the customers, the store and the
employee.

~daxe

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:00:00

It is this mentality that breeds mediocrity and society's acceptance of it.

Get off your politically-correct soapbox and be honest and equal in your
approach to the handicapped. That is all they ask.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:00:00

And you'll give him a job, right?

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **Chuck Kandle** » Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> It is this mentality that breeds mediocrity and society's acceptance of it.

> Get off your politically-correct soapbox and be honest and equal in your
> approach to the handicapped. That is all they ask.

Mediocrity? PC Soapbox?? All I ask is to not try & get someone fired
intentionally because they don't meet others' ways of perfection.
Everybody needs to make a living. Geeez! I suppose you've never had a
"mediocre" moment in your line of employment? Under your guidelines,
it's unacceptable & you should be terminated right then & there. No. I
don't "accept mediocrity". I accept the fact that *EVERYONE*, myself
included, has shortcomings. I accept my fellow man's shortcomings, as I
hope they will accept (or at least overlook) mine. You'd suggest I
would better serve this handicapped gentleman by entering the store &
raving like a lunatic at his employer, demanding his job? Baloney!

--
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