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by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:14:29

Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times so
we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this :)

I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps right
now.

Where does that fit in with everyone else?

BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too much
camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're screwed
for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting the
turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't brake
late here!

Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on the
right side for turn exits.

And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of it.
Engine runs too cool.

The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
better.

-Larry

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:25:26

Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun :) If
by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp all you
want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw.

Your times aren't bad.

-John

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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:24:26

Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran
Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:33:20

Almost forgot. If I remember correctly, I tried not to drop below 135 in T1,
145 in T2, and 125 in T3.

David G Fisher

> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran
> Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/

> David G Fisher

> > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times
> so
> > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this
:)

> > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
right
> > now.

> > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> much
> > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
screwed
> > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
the
> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> brake
> > late here!

> > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on
> the
> > right side for turn exits.

> > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of
> it.
> > Engine runs too cool.

> > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > better.

> > -Larry

by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:52:15

Um, David, I finished THIRD at Dover, not ninth...

Glad I looked :)

-Larry

> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran
> Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/

> David G Fisher

> > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times
> so
> > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this
:)

> > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
right
> > now.

> > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> much
> > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
screwed
> > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
the
> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> brake
> > late here!

> > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on
> the
> > right side for turn exits.

> > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of
> it.
> > Engine runs too cool.

> > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > better.

> > -Larry

by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:53:22

Never mind. Forgive my stupidity. I didn't notice at first that it was
broken down by session :)

-Larry

> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran
> Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/

> David G Fisher

> > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times
> so
> > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this
:)

> > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
right
> > now.

> > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> much
> > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
screwed
> > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
the
> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> brake
> > late here!

> > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on
> the
> > right side for turn exits.

> > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of
> it.
> > Engine runs too cool.

> > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > better.

> > -Larry

by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:54:07

Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :)

I guess I'll have to change that.

-Larry

> Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran
> Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/

> David G Fisher

> > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times
> so
> > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this
:)

> > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
right
> > now.

> > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> much
> > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
screwed
> > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
the
> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> brake
> > late here!

> > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on
> the
> > right side for turn exits.

> > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of
> it.
> > Engine runs too cool.

> > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > better.

> > -Larry

by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:55:30

That's why I'm practicing, to adapt :)

I sure can't stomp the pedal. The camber in the RF induces a lockup due to
the reduced tire patch. Or so I figure...

-Larry

> > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times
> so
> > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of this
:)

> > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
right
> > now.

> > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> much
> > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
screwed
> > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
the
> > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> brake
> > late here!

> > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2" on
> the
> > right side for turn exits.

> > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough of
> it.
> > Engine runs too cool.

> > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > better.

> > -Larry

> Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun :)
If
> by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp all you
> want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw.

> Your times aren't bad.

> -John

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:31:58

Where are you braking ? If not using it, try the last sign on your right,
as you approach the turn.

If you're talking about the tunnel turn,(t2, or t3-4, depending how you
look at Pocono), you shouldn't brake at all there, just let off slightly.

-John

> That's why I'm practicing, to adapt :)

> I sure can't stomp the pedal. The camber in the RF induces a lockup due
to
> the reduced tire patch. Or so I figure...

> -Larry

> > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap
times
> > so
> > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of
this
> :)

> > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
> right
> > > now.

> > > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> > much
> > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
> screwed
> > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
> the
> > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> > brake
> > > late here!

> > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2"
on
> > the
> > > right side for turn exits.

> > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough
of
> > it.
> > > Engine runs too cool.

> > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > > better.

> > > -Larry

> > Adapt to the setup, instead of vice versa, and you'll have more fun :)
> If
> > by T3, you mean the last turn before the straight, you can stomp all you
> > want on the brakes there.........if you do it at the right time, fwiw.

> > Your times aren't bad.

> > -John

by **FatnSl** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:08:11

Larry, you can use a calculator we have on one of our Oscar sites. It will
convert time or speed.

I also was having trouble getting much over 161.1's so I watched replays of
a practice race we had 2night of the fastest guys on a fixed practice
server. They start braking at the 2nd marker in turns 1 & 3 & 5. For turns 1
& 3 stay along the wall and brake lightly to about to the next marker then
let off the brakes and drop the car into the banking, working it down by the
apex then back on the gas at the apex. In turn 5 brake harder at the marker
and try to keep the car in the dark pavement letting off the brake just
before you turn and coast to the apex then get back on the gas.

After about 15 laps of trying this I was able to get low 162's and in qual
setup 162.396 or 55.42 seconds which would have been enough to put me on the
pole for the race I practiced with and reviewed.

Here is the calculator link: http://www.mdube.com/stock2.html

FatnSlo

> Rats, your listed in time. I record by speed :)

> I guess I'll have to change that.

> -Larry

> > Check out the times on the race results page from the first time we ran
> > Pocono. http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/

> > David G Fisher

> > > Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> > > included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap
times
> > so
> > > we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

> > > Since it's a fixed setup, I don't see any secrets being won out of
this
> :)

> > > I'll start. I know these ain' that hot, but it's me right now :)

> > > Every now and then, if I hit turn 3 right, I can get mid-160's.

> > > My average laps are 159.8 to 160. Those are my most consistent laps
> right
> > > now.

> > > Where does that fit in with everyone else?

> > > BTW... The fast setup for this track needs serious work. There is too
> > much
> > > camber in the right front, and it can cause the right front to lock up
> > > braking into turn 3 because it's so flat. If you do that, you're
> screwed
> > > for that lap and may even have to come to a crawl to keep from hitting
> the
> > > turn 4 wall. Anything more than 1/2 braking will light it up. Don't
> > brake
> > > late here!

> > > Also, I personally feel that it needs the trackbar raised about 1/2"
on
> > the
> > > right side for turn exits.

> > > And, the fast setup doesn't use tape effectively. There's not enough
of
> > it.
> > > Engine runs too cool.

> > > The good thing about this setup is that it is fairly stable.

> > > If the markers were bigger and easier to see, I think I could do a LOT
> > > better.

> > > -Larry

by **jason moy** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:14:56

> Since this is one of the tougher tracks for a lot of people (myself
> included) :), I thought it might be useful to compare practice lap times so
> we know where we all stand in preparation for Saturday.

I forget if RASCAR uses random weather or not, but.

At 70 degrees no wind I'd aim for 54.9-55.1 range. 55.5's and faster
should be competitive, but the front runners will likely be pulling
55.0's until the tires turn yellow, in my experience.

When building my own setup for Pocono, I've found that the only real
changes it needed were dropping the spoiler to 45 degrees (takes care
of the uber-tightness and gives you several extra mph at all 3 braking
points)

As far as braking points go, I can run around 50 flat simply braking
at the #2 brake markers at each turn and coasting to the apex once the
groove darkens. My acceleration points are - turn 1, sometime after i
can see the pocono sign but before i reach it - turn 2, between the
read 'nascar racing' logo on the wall and the rainbow 'NASCAR' logo -
turn 3, either the red sign (second to last) or the very last sign.
Coming out of turn 3 is the most likely place to lose control of the
car, so make sure you're counter steering a bit on the exit.

The 'hammer the gas' points tend to very for me depending on how well
I hit the line. If you hit it just perfectly you can get on the gas
much earlier than you expect, if you're a tiny bit low or a tiny bit
high you need to hold off in both turns (unlike most ovals where you
can usually get on the gas really early if you miss the entrance on
the low side).

I generally use the same braking/throttle points regardless of the
weather there. My fastest laps at 40 degrees are 54.6-8 using the
fixed setup and at 70 degrees somewhere in the 54.9-55.1 range. I
don't know what the temp/wind is like using realistic weather, but I'd
still aim for low 50's at the worst.

Jason

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:24:01

> Where does that fit in with everyone else?

Hi Larry,

that's exactly the question that N2002Rank is meant to answer
(shameless plug ;-), that's why I asked RASCAR drivers to
please register with N2002Rank a couple of days ago.

Just put them on your buddy list and select "Pocono" from the
track list, and you'll get an idea how fast everyone is going
(you can also choose to view qualifying lap times only)

cheers,

uwe

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by **John Simmon** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:14:24

says...

It's pointless to complain about the setup. What is a good setup for
one person is a crappy one for someone else. IMHO, if a given driver
isn't comfortable with the setup, he can always sit the race out. There
is no shame in that.

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by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:37:15

Whadday mean; "depending upon how you look at it"??
The track got 3 turns: no more - no less.
Period. :-)
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"John Pancoast" said:

by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:42:24

Correct me if I'm wrong, but N2002 rank grab the player records at each
track right?
Well in that case it's not going to give a very accurate picture of how fast
people are.

RASCAR use fixed 'fast' setup from Papy - and we all know that those setups
have never been very fast. Anyone who's ever downloaded to someother setups
from the net is likely to have better records than what achiveable with the
'fast' setups. Thus the ranking can be giving a *very* false reading.

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"Uwe Schuerkamp" said:

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