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by **David Thaye** » Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:00:00

To All,

Can anybody an answer or reasons why we can't adjust the rear wheel
camber in NASCAR like I can in INDY2. Would that make the car to hard
to control?

I know the original NASCAR simulator has a fixed rear camber.

Just curious,

Dave Thayer

by **P. Campbe** » Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>To All,
>Can anybody an answer or reasons why we can't adjust the rear wheel
>camber in NASCAR like I can in INDY2. Would that make the car to hard
>to control?
>I know the original NASCAR simulator has a fixed rear camber.
>Just curious,

Oh, there's a good reason for that. Unlike Indycars, Winston Cup cars
(and BGN, and the trucks) have solid rear axles.

A few years ago, Harry Gant's team started putting camber in their rear
axles. Gant won four races in a row with this setup back in 1991.
Several other teams started doing it, but around the middle of the 1992
season, there were an alarming number of cars leaving races with broken
axles. The teams were starting to take the rear camber too far. Because
of this, NASCAR stepped in and set a limit to the amount of rear camber
that could be run on the Winston Cup and BGN cars. The camber has to be
built into the axle (they have to bend the housing to do it), therefore,
it's not an adjustment that can be made at the track.

Incidently, the NASCAR Craftsman trucks are not allowed to have any rear
camber at all. Hope this helps.

Pat
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by **Mike Carrother** » Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Stock cars cars use a fixed striaght rear end, where an indy car uses an independent rear. ANy
camber in the rearend of a stock car is built into the rearend, and not adjustable.

Mike

by **jd..** » Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:00:00

scribbled:

:
:>To All,
:>
:>Can anybody an answer or reasons why we can't adjust the rear wheel
:>camber in NASCAR like I can in INDY2. Would that make the car to hard
:>to control?
:>
:>I know the original NASCAR simulator has a fixed rear camber.
:>
:>Just curious,
:>
:>Dave Thayer
:
: Stock cars cars use a fixed striaght rear end, where an indy car uses an independent rear. ANy
:camber in the rearend of a stock car is built into the rearend, and not adjustable.
:
To a certain extent, the big heavy stock cars do have a "slight" rear camber
adjustment. They use wedge plates.. Something like front wheel drive cars..

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by **Steve Sarl** » Thu, 07 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>scribbled:

>:
>:>To All,
>:>
>:>Can anybody an answer or reasons why we can't adjust the rear wheel
>:>camber in NASCAR like I can in INDY2. Would that make the car to hard
>:>to control?
>:>
>:>I know the original NASCAR simulator has a fixed rear camber.
>:>
>:>Just curious,
>:>
>:>Dave Thayer
>:
>: Stock cars cars use a fixed striaght rear end, where an indy car uses an independent rear. ANy
>:camber in the rearend of a stock car is built into the rearend, and not adjustable.
>:
>To a certain extent, the big heavy stock cars do have a "slight" rear camber
>adjustment. They use wedge plates.. Something like front wheel drive cars..

wedge plates? This isn't the same as 'dialing in wedge' is it? thought
that was a weight adjustment thru height of corners.

Steve

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by **randall lee johns** » Fri, 08 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>>:
>>:>To All,
>>:>
>>:>Can anybody an answer or reasons why we can't adjust the rear wheel
>>:>camber in NASCAR like I can in INDY2. Would that make the car to hard
>>:>to control?
>>:>
>>:>I know the original NASCAR simulator has a fixed rear camber.
>>:>
>>:>Just curious,
>>:>
>>:>Dave Thayer
>>:
>>: Stock cars cars use a fixed striaght rear end, where an indy car uses an independent rear. ANy
>>:camber in the rearend of a stock car is built into the rearend, and not adjustable.
>>:

Actually, in the late eighties, one driver (Bill Elliot?), was kicking
everybody's ass on the track. Come to find out, he had angled the axle
tubes to create camber. This was okay, since it wasn't illegal, but
since then, NASCAR emplimented a maximum allowable angle for the axle tubes.

Randy

by **Mike Donnel** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

lack of reguard to reality...

Nope. Actually it was 'High Groove' Harry Gant that did it. After winning
4 in a row in September, NASCAR asked him straight up, what are you doing?
And rather than having them tear his car apart completely to find out, he
told 'em.

That was due to the fact that a lot of folks were making the camber in the
rear axle so extremem it busted the axle. This was happening so much that
NASCAR decided that it was slowing the races enough to do something about
it.

All of the above was gleaned from ESPN's rebroadcast of the 1994 Hooter's
500 on Wednsday.

Mike

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by **moti..** » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> lack of reguard to reality...

> >Actually, in the late eighties, one driver (Bill Elliot?), was kicking

> Nope. Actually it was 'High Groove' Harry Gant that did it. After winning
> 4 in a row in September, NASCAR asked him straight up, what are you doing?
> And rather than having them tear his car apart completely to find out, he
> told 'em.

> >everybody's ass on the track. Come to find out, he had angled the axle
> >tubes to create camber. This was okay, since it wasn't illegal, but
> >since then, NASCAR emplimented a maximum allowable angle for the axle tubes

> That was due to the fact that a lot of folks were making the camber in the
> rear axle so extremem it busted the axle. This was happening so much that
> NASCAR decided that it was slowing the races enough to do something about
> it.

> All of the above was gleaned from ESPN's rebroadcast of the 1994 Hooter's
> 500 on Wednsday.

> Mike

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> SIMCAR96 #45 Hershey's Kisses Pontiac Grand Prix
> PRO96 #2 Hershey's Kisses Reynard/Ford/Firestone - Pucker Factor Motorsports
> IVGA #2027 (membership, not the car!)
> part of "The Pit Crew" http://www.theuspits.com/

the issue was also elliott in 1992 when he clicked off 4
in a row from rockingham to darlington. i remember stock
car racing magazine was doing an article on elliott's car
for having cambered rear end. That was the martinsville
or northwilkes boro race where like 4 or 5 cars went out
from blowing the rear axel out. I think Kulwicki and irvan
were 2 of the cars that were running in the lead when it
happened.. it was that and the combination of junior johnson's
cylinder heads that gave them so much power early on in them
5 races then nascar mandated they used robert yates heads
for the fords. i remeber elliott and marlin sat 1 2 on daytona
and looked like the cars to beat until irvan decided to make it 3
wide and wipe out half the field. then they went back to darlington
4 weeks later and they sat 1-2 on the pole...

by **Paul D. Yukni** » Sun, 10 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> >On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 21:56:18 GMT, Mike Carrothers

> >scribbled:

> >:
> >:>To All,
> >:>
> >:>Can anybody an answer or reasons why we can't adjust the rear wheel
> >:>camber in NASCAR like I can in INDY2. Would that make the car to hard
> >:>to control?
> >:>
> >:>I know the original NASCAR simulator has a fixed rear camber.
> >:>
> >:>Just curious,
> >:>
> >:>Dave Thayer

On the contrary you can adjust the rear camber all you want. Providing that
you are computer literate and have a disk editor like Norton.

by **Gregory Fu** » Sun, 10 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>>scribbled:
>>To a certain extent, the big heavy stock cars do have a "slight" rear camber
>>adjustment. They use wedge plates.. Something like front wheel drive cars..

> wedge plates? This isn't the same as 'dialing in wedge' is it? thought
>that was a weight adjustment thru height of corners.

No, the only thing I can think of he's refering to are shims: they are
plates, with a slight angle between the sides, mounted inboard of the hub.
If you saw one, you probably can't tell the slant, they're of very small
angles. You might see a thickness diffrence in the top and the bottom of
it.

This is only to the best of my limited knowledge from sims and books.

Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

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