rec.autos.simulators

by **houch..** » Sat, 07 Jun 1997 04:00:00

I heard rumors that there is an IRL sim coming out. Does anybody have
any info on this? Who is making it? When is it coming out?

by **houch..** » Sat, 07 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Does anybody have any info on the rumored IRL sim coming out?

by **Arthur Rym** » Sun, 08 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
it.
-

by **Jim Moor** » Sun, 08 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
> thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
> drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
> it.
> -

Hmmm, so let's try to understand....the quality of a race series as it
relates to simulatation racing is judged on how "fast" the cars are, how
many drivers Arthur knows and the number of camels, cartoon characters
and rainbows painted on the cars. I'm not sure I understand your logic.
I, for one, would look forward to an open-wheel simulation that includes
midgets and sprints in addition to Indy Cars. Why not wait until the sim
is released to judge it?

Oh, by the way, the pole speed for this year's Indy 500 was a scant 42
MPH faster than that of the 1996 Brickyard 400. NASCAR must really suck.
I certainly hope Arthur has heard of Ayrton Senna, Gilles Villeneuve and
Juan Fangio, otherwise F1 sucks too. As for sponsors, oh...forget it.

Jim "Free your mind" Moore

by **playbo** » Sun, 08 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
> thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
> drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
> it.
> -

Thats got to be the worst racing there is.

by **William Dahm** » Sun, 08 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> > Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
> > thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
> > drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
> > it.
> > -

> Thats got to be the worst racing there is.

U guys don't think the C***te night race would be fun? What about
the Texas night race? Personally, I like many of the IRL tracks

by **Jimm** » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

>>Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
>>thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
>>drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
>>it.
>>-

Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL? Do you people forget 1979...CART
vs. USAC at Indy...the SAME thing. C'mon, give it a chance to develop before
you start putting it down. People said the same thing about NASCAR back in
'47 when it came about; the same thing about USAC when it took over Indy from
AAA back in `40s/`50's...
I like the IRL cuz it put open-wheel talent at Indy in affordable race cars.
Sure they have their reliabilty problems (gee, kinda like NASCAR 2 that y'all
have been ***in' about...), but, hey, give 'em a chance to show their
stuff....

Jimmy

by **playbo** » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> >>Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
> >>thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
> >>drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
> >>it.
> >>-

> Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL? Do you people forget 1979...CART
> vs. USAC at Indy...the SAME thing. C'mon, give it a chance to develop before
> you start putting it down. People said the same thing about NASCAR back in
> '47 when it came about; the same thing about USAC when it took over Indy from
> AAA back in `40s/`50's...
> I like the IRL cuz it put open-wheel talent at Indy in affordable race cars.
> Sure they have their reliabilty problems (gee, kinda like NASCAR 2 that y'all
> have been ***in' about...), but, hey, give 'em a chance to show their
> stuff....

> Jimmy

I agree with you 100% give it a
chance.

by **Jim Sokolo** » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL?

I'll admit to not being an IRL fan (understatement), but I do watch it
when I've got the time and there's no other racing on.

I guess I believe that affordable race cars are for amateur and club
racing (SCCA IT?, NASA GTI Cup, etc.) and that professional racing's
first goal should NOT be affordable cars.

How "affordable" is it to have your engine expire anywhere from the
parade lap to 2 laps to go?

The main problem I have with the IRL model of "affordability" is that
it permits teams to exist who can't actually afford the IRL. Sure,
they can build the car, and tow it to races, but they can't afford
enough spares, etc to be able to realistically compete. When's the
last time you saw a <insert favorite professional series> car start
with an engine that had been run in a previous race? When's the last
time you saw more than 50% of <insert> cars retire with terminal
engine problems? When's the last time you saw a <insert> car lose it's
motor in turn 2 on lap 1?

I agree that there are some talented drivers, mechanics, and owners in
the IRL. They manage to put on half of a good show. But to my
sitting-in-my-family-room-wanting-to-watch-some-pro-racing mind, I
don't really care how much the cars cost. Sure, I don't mind some
reasonable limitations to driver aids, crew, reasonable brakes, etc,
but I don't need to be able to pick the car up for $14.95 on sale at
KMart.

---Jim

by **Berg** » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL? Do you people forget 1979...CART
>vs. USAC at Indy...the SAME thing. C'mon, give it a chance to develop before
>you start putting it down. People said the same thing about NASCAR back in
>'47 when it came about; the same thing about USAC when it took over Indy from
>AAA back in `40s/`50's...
> I like the IRL cuz it put open-wheel talent at Indy in affordable race cars.
> Sure they have their reliabilty problems (gee, kinda like NASCAR 2 that y'all
>have been ***in' about...), but, hey, give 'em a chance to show their
>stuff....

> Jimmy

How about USAC and the IRL's inability to properly manage a race. At
Indy, the last lap yellow fiasco was forgiveable, but still stupid.
Last night's Texas race was a complete disaster, with A.J. Foyt's cars
declared winner and runner-up, then changed this morning to reflect
the true winner-Arie Lyenduk(sp?). This after Arie was complaining in
victory lane, and A.J. slapped him and threw him on the ground!

by **Tom J. Ma** » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

>> >>Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
>> >>thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of
the
>> >>drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
>> >>it.
>> >>-

>> Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL? Do you people forget
1979...CART
>> vs. USAC at Indy...the SAME thing. C'mon, give it a chance to develop
before
>> you start putting it down. People said the same thing about NASCAR back
in
>> '47 when it came about; the same thing about USAC when it took over Indy
from
>> AAA back in `40s/`50's...
>> I like the IRL cuz it put open-wheel talent at Indy in affordable race
cars.
>> Sure they have their reliabilty problems (gee, kinda like NASCAR 2 that
y'all
>> have been ***in' about...), but, hey, give 'em a chance to show their
>> stuff....

Jimmy

>I agree with you 100% give it a
>chance.

Let them run, let them run on those stock car tracks or new speedway..

by **esetse** » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> >>Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most pathetic
> >>thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of the
> >>drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would buy
> >>it.
> >>-

> Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL? Do you people forget 1979...CART
> vs. USAC at Indy...the SAME thing. C'mon, give it a chance to develop before
> you start putting it down. People said the same thing about NASCAR back in
> '47 when it came about; the same thing about USAC when it took over Indy from
> AAA back in `40s/`50's...
> I like the IRL cuz it put open-wheel talent at Indy in affordable race cars.
> Sure they have their reliabilty problems (gee, kinda like NASCAR 2 that y'all
> have been ***in' about...), but, hey, give 'em a chance to show their
> stuff....

> Jimmy

There are plenty of reasons that I don't consider the IRL my favorite
league. But really, that's not the issue. The issue is I am a BIG
Indycar (CART) fan for several years, and I am very upset over the sham
the Indy 500 has become. I couldn't care less about the IRL as an
entity otherwise, and probably would be interested in this fertile
development ground for new CART drivers. But since the primary leverage
of the IRL as a league, is take us or leave us WITH INDY, then it
becomes a much more emotional issue. Tony George and USAC have
repeatedly demonstrated that they just can't get it right (for many
years in the Indy 500, and now in the IRL).

There is an interesting article at Speedcenter on Indy.
(http://www.racesimcentral.net/) I love the comparision of the
Kentucky derby management having a battle with the trainers of the best
horses. Yes, ABC still televises it, and 400,00 people come, etc. but
its not REALLY the Indy 500 anymore, is it?

So I'll continue to debate whether the IRL is The Indy Recking League,
Indy Mediums (as in better than Indy Lights but not as good as Indy
Heavies), and my present favorite, Indy Replacements Leauge.

Flame retardent suit now on.

by **Jack Wilso** » Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:00:00

216 at 1.5 mile track doesn't seem like slow cars to me

> >> >>Why would anyone want to make an IRL sim? The IRL is the most
pathetic
> >> >>thing to come to racing ever. Slow cars. I only know about 4 or 5 of
> the
> >> >>drivers. No big sponsors. So what's the point of that? No one would
buy
> >> >>it.
> >> >>-

> >> Why do people CONSTANTLY put down the IRL? Do you people forget
> 1979...CART
> >> vs. USAC at Indy...the SAME thing. C'mon, give it a chance to develop
> before
> >> you start putting it down. People said the same thing about NASCAR
back
> in
> >> '47 when it came about; the same thing about USAC when it took over
Indy
> from
> >> AAA back in `40s/`50's...
> >> I like the IRL cuz it put open-wheel talent at Indy in affordable
race
> cars.
> >> Sure they have their reliabilty problems (gee, kinda like NASCAR 2
that
> y'all
> >> have been ***in' about...), but, hey, give 'em a chance to show
their
> >> stuff....

> Jimmy

> >I agree with you 100% give it a
> >chance.

> Let them run, let them run on those stock car tracks or new speedway..

by **Keith Meye** » Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:00:00

> I heard rumors that there is an IRL sim coming out. Does anybody have
> any info on this? Who is making it? When is it coming out?

Will it include clueless scorers and management? How about the 'Protest
the finish and keep everyone up all night while they figure out who
REALLY won the race' option?

Keith

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by **The Hamme** » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

TOP TEN LIST for creating an IRL Racing Sim ;-)
Making an IRL sim would be easy- here's -just follow this formula:

10) 3/4 of the engines blow up OR sieze before finishing the race, spilling
OIL all over the track to make it Slick for remaining racers!!
9) IF the engines don't blow, all the "cars" crash into each other, causing
a humungous pile up!
8) IF 10 &/or 9 above don't happen, bring out a 25 lap caution "just for
fun"
7) IF none of the above occur, default to a 3 day rain delay!
6) feature a few tracks of questionable quality for sanctioning!
5) identify one driver as the winner!
4) have a second and/or 3rd driver CLAIM winning the race!
3) cool CD-ROM .avi's could show AJ punching out driver #2 and/or driver
#3!
2) More CD-ROM .avi's could show a press conference the Next day to Name
another driver as the Race Winner!
drum roll please:
AND..... the NUMBER ONE Item on an IRL Racing Sim PC product:

1) listen to IRL impressario Prince Tony the Ist tell a news conference
how Great his series is!

Dave, The Hammer