rec.autos.simulators

by **Jo Helse** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>>The 'left field' comment was about your jump from talking about food to talking
>>about killing for pleasure. Hey, I'm against 'sport' hunting, too. If the
>>animals could use weapons too, *then* maybe it would be a sport...<g>

>Haha, the first time I stand in front of a hungry lion and he decides
>not to rip me apart out of preservation of the human species I'll
>become a vegetarian.

>Darwinism got mankind to the point we are, and now we are "so
>advanced" we throw Darwinism out the window. Survival of the fittest
>is no longer a human trait. Whether for better or for worse is moot.

We shouldn't take "survival of the fittest" too literally. It just means that
best adaption to existing circumstances gives an advantage (which is limited in
space and time). It's not some law of nature which can be obeyed or neglected,
though. Rather a way of describing the trend that you can recognise through
evolution.

The "eat or be eaten" view on SOTF is therefore a rather limited approach. There
are many reasons out there to argue that the principle even applies to a world
with human beings.

JoH

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by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> To hell with all of that. What do you think about F1 2000?

I don't ...:-)

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by **Uwe Schuerka** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

What's all this about? Have you folks *ever* heard of
Linux, StarOffice and The Gimp? Free? Hello? Anybody home?

Uwe

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by **Mario Greni** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>It is my opinion that pricing causes most of the piracy of software and
>music. Adobe Photoshop 5.5 is $539.95, Microsoft Office 2000 Pro is
>$484.95 For a professional using these packages to create content for
>which they are paid, these are probably bargains, but for the casual,
>non pro user they seem very high. How many people have used a pirated
>copy of Office to create a resume and then not used it again for a year?
>I don't know if it would be possible, but what about lower prices for
>nonprofessional use. I believe lowering prices to a much more reasonable
>level would cause sales to go up and piracy to go down. I also think
>game software and music CD's are way over priced. Many music CD's are
>$15 to $25 dollars. How many have paid $15 for a CD because they like
>one or two songs? New games commonly sell for $49.95 How many times have
>you been burned?

For my part, I think piracy is good for one thing.

What I mean by that, is that, we can try new games, and if it is good
or really good, and I'm speaking for myself, I'm willing to pay big
for it. No problems.

I have bought in the past some EA Sports shit, like NHL 2000, around $
50.00, and the box is sitting in a closet right now, I have never been
able to see the intro of the game, because of a bug in their system.

I get a message like :

this program will be closed because it has made general protection
fault in nhl2k.icd. (I get it from the Original CD, right out from the
box)

I think that they have pushed a little too much their CD protection,
and I have to pay for it.

Plus, they never reply to our messages or fax over there.

I have also bought EA F1 2000, and this one it is looking very good,
but the AI of that game is the worst I have never seen in a game.

So now, before I put money on a game, I have tried it and I know what
I will get for what I pay.

Like right now, I'm trying NFSPU and it is a jewel. I'm going out to
buy it this monday, whatever the price. It is very good !

That's all !

by **Uncle Feste** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> >>Can't you understand that something is either right or wrong (morally,
> >>legally or both)? It can't be "a little bit wrong" or "mostly right". It's
> >>either one or the other.

> > If you believe that you've got to be one of the most naive numbskulls
> >I've never had the pleasure to meet. Life is filled with shades of gray,
> >friend. Just about nothing is black or white.

> What's all this about? Have you folks *ever* heard of
> Linux, StarOffice and The Gimp? Free? Hello? Anybody home?

Nope Uwe, folks just don't get it. You can't pirate or steal what is
free for the taking in the first place. For some reason, they gotta
make money on everything in sight which just invites problems. Just for
giggles, check out rec.aviation.simulators. There's a *long* thread on
Open Source & the GPL. Imagine though, preaching open source to a
mostly M$ crowd! That guy was just *asking* for trouble! <GG> That guy
got called a "GPL Nazi" by one irate poster.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

If the program actually didn't WORK, you should have been able to get your
money back. It wouldn't help you enjoy the game, but you wouldn't be out
$50...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>The potential is enormous, especially now with cheap CD-R's and all
>that, compiling my own CD's with only songs that I like from various
>artists (when was the last time you bought a music CD where you loved
>every song ?

Rush - Moving Pictures :)

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by **The Enigmatic O** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

We've mentioned and discussed freeware actually. I've cost software
companies lots of money (lost potential sales--which is why piracy was being
decried) because I try to choose freeware alternitives. I don't think that's
wrong--most would agree--but the companies would love to find a way to make
freeware "wrong."

-Tim

by **John Wallac** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

People eat what is available in the shops - If I feel like eating fugu
would you consider it reasonable to fly to Shimonoseki in order to
eat? No, therefore I stick to haggis.

John

by **John Wallac** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:34:25 +0200, Jo Helsen

>We shouldn't take "survival of the fittest" too literally. It just means that
>best adaption to existing circumstances gives an advantage (which is limited in
>space and time). It's not some law of nature which can be obeyed or neglected,
>though. Rather a way of describing the trend that you can recognise through
>evolution.

My point exactly, although I would argue that to some extent at least
man has chosen to neglect.

In a herd of gazelle typically the weaker or crippled ones will be
less able to escape from lion attacks and will therefore be "pruned".
This, by Darwinism, means gazelles get stronger and better adapted.

Humans, on the other hand, shepherd anyone weaker either mentally or
physically, thus denying the level of improvement afforded to
gazelles.

John

by **Jo Hels** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:57:21 +0100, John Wallace

>On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:34:25 +0200, Jo Helsen

>>We shouldn't take "survival of the fittest" too literally. It just means that
>>best adaption to existing circumstances gives an advantage (which is limited in
>>space and time). It's not some law of nature which can be obeyed or neglected,
>>though. Rather a way of describing the trend that you can recognise through
>>evolution.

>My point exactly, although I would argue that to some extent at least
>man has chosen to neglect.
>In a herd of gazelle typically the weaker or crippled ones will be
>less able to escape from lion attacks and will therefore be "pruned".
>This, by Darwinism, means gazelles get stronger and better adapted.

>Humans, on the other hand, shepherd anyone weaker either mentally or
>physically, thus denying the level of improvement afforded to
>gazelles.

I still think you (and most people, btw) are looking at this from a
much too limited perspective.

As I said, "evolution" and therefore also "survival of the fittest" is
not somekind of "process" at work. Rather it is a label that we assign
to the course of things. Reality is not aware of any general rule that
has to be obeyed or something. There is nothing to neglect or to
comply to.

That's why getting rid of the weak and helpless wouldn't guarantee us
a faster evolution of mankind or a superior race. It is a
simplification. Hitler was wrong on that one, too (the poor dumbass
:-) )

The simple, straightforward, interpretation of the "survival of the
fittest"-principle in the world of animals is just one possible
manifestation of what we call "evolution". It also is the incarnation
that is the easiest to recognise, and therefore it is all too often
simply used as a synonym.

But a more complex environment/interactions might generate completely
different mechanisms in which these simple rules do NOT show the way
to go. Just consider the recent shift in importance from "physical
strength" to "brainpower". There might be a similar battle going on
between "egotism" and "altruism". What about "individualism" vs
"collectivity". "Ecology" vs "productivity", "conflict" vs "symbiosis"
and so on... Only history will show us which alternatives turn out to
be advantageous. Only in retrospect, we (or a species that took over)
will be able to answer those questions. No matter what happens, the
label "evolution" will still stick on it. You can't neglect it or
escape from it.

JoH

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> >The potential is enormous, especially now with cheap CD-R's and all
> >that, compiling my own CD's with only songs that I like from various
> >artists (when was the last time you bought a music CD where you loved
> >every song ?

> Rush - Moving Pictures :)

For me it was John Fogerty - Blue Moon Swamp.....:-)

But those CD's are far and few.....

Beers and cheers
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

But the all-important question, Jo, the one on everybody's lips, is "will
GP3 run okay on my system?"

Forget this evolution rubbish and Darwin (horrible ***y place,
anyway...all heat, humidity and friggin' crocodiles) and concentrate on the
matter at hand, please.

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Canberra, Australia.
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> On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:57:21 +0100, John Wallace

> >On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:34:25 +0200, Jo Helsen

> >>We shouldn't take "survival of the fittest" too literally. It just means
that
> >>best adaption to existing circumstances gives an advantage (which is
limited in
> >>space and time). It's not some law of nature which can be obeyed or
neglected,
> >>though. Rather a way of describing the trend that you can recognise
through
> >>evolution.

> >My point exactly, although I would argue that to some extent at least
> >man has chosen to neglect.

> >In a herd of gazelle typically the weaker or crippled ones will be
> >less able to escape from lion attacks and will therefore be "pruned".
> >This, by Darwinism, means gazelles get stronger and better adapted.

> >Humans, on the other hand, shepherd anyone weaker either mentally or
> >physically, thus denying the level of improvement afforded to
> >gazelles.

> I still think you (and most people, btw) are looking at this from a
> much too limited perspective.

> As I said, "evolution" and therefore also "survival of the fittest" is
> not somekind of "process" at work. Rather it is a label that we assign
> to the course of things. Reality is not aware of any general rule that
> has to be obeyed or something. There is nothing to neglect or to
> comply to.

> That's why getting rid of the weak and helpless wouldn't guarantee us
> a faster evolution of mankind or a superior race. It is a
> simplification. Hitler was wrong on that one, too (the poor dumbass
> :-) )

> The simple, straightforward, interpretation of the "survival of the
> fittest"-principle in the world of animals is just one possible
> manifestation of what we call "evolution". It also is the incarnation
> that is the easiest to recognise, and therefore it is all too often
> simply used as a synonym.

> But a more complex environment/interactions might generate completely
> different mechanisms in which these simple rules do NOT show the way
> to go. Just consider the recent shift in importance from "physical
> strength" to "brainpower". There might be a similar battle going on
> between "egotism" and "altruism". What about "individualism" vs
> "collectivity". "Ecology" vs "productivity", "conflict" vs "symbiosis"
> and so on... Only history will show us which alternatives turn out to
> be advantageous. Only in retrospect, we (or a species that took over)
> will be able to answer those questions. No matter what happens, the
> label "evolution" will still stick on it. You can't neglect it or
> escape from it.

> JoH

by **Jo Hels** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:31:59 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>But the all-important question, Jo, the one on everybody's lips, is "will
>GP3 run okay on my system?"

>Forget this evolution rubbish and Darwin (horrible ***y place,
>anyway...all heat, humidity and friggin' crocodiles) and concentrate on the
>matter at hand, please.

Bruce, if it gets too intellectually challenging, you don't HAVE to
read on. An overheating brain isn't good for your driving :-)

Darwin was a biologist, BTW ;-)

And BTW, it is not easy to win from John Wallace. I thought this was
an excellent occasion, now that he was stupid enough to leave his
normal ecosystem (oops, doing it again :-) )

JoH

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