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Why on earth use Office Pro? Use something cheaper, like Ability
Office, which is forever being given away free on magazine cover CDs.
Or even Star Office, which is free.
--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)
> >I would like to find a store that accepts returns!
> Electronics Boutique.
> --
> David.
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really."
> (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)
> > Right and wrong are relative, not absolute (unless you are a religious
> > zealot.)
> BS, the only time it is relative is when someone tries to justify
> their illegal, imm***or other generally unacceptable actions. Paul
How about this Paul: in some parts of the world they routinely eat dogs.
If you killed a dog and ate it in this country you could be prosecuted for
that action. In those parts of the world you are simply feeding yourself by
doing something completely acceptable. Are the people in Thailand WRONG
simply because that action doesn't fit in in this culture?
~daxe
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> > > Right and wrong are relative, not absolute (unless you are a religious
> > > zealot.)
> > BS, the only time it is relative is when someone tries to justify
> > their illegal, imm***or other generally unacceptable actions. Paul
> A person who thinks there is an immutable, absolute right and wrong equally
> applicable to everyone is either too stupid to think/see outside their own
> little world or has been brainwashed by some religious organization or
> both.
--
"Don't take yourself too serious
since someone else just might and
then what are you going to do!"
> >> Right and wrong are relative, not absolute (unless you are a religious
> >> zealot.)
> > BS, the only time it is relative is when someone tries to justify
> >their illegal, imm***or other generally unacceptable actions. Paul
> Stupidity on display here in r.a.s--thanks for affirming my "faith" in
> the intelligence of the average being.
> -Tim
Stupidity on display here in r.a.s--thanks for affirming my "faith" in
the intelligence of the average being.
-Tim
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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I can only see this as either black or white.....no shades of grey. Until
(unless?) laws change to allow otherwise, or until technology comes up with
a solution to what I call "electronic theft" then that's the way I will
approach it. In other words....under the present international legal
regulations, software piracy is theft. Period.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> >Oh, for Christ's sake, stop trying to justify theft in this ridiculous
> >manner!!
> >I use my piano once in a blue moon, but I didn't steal it just because I
> >felt that I shouldn't really have to pay full price seeing that I
wouldn't
> >be using it frequently! Ditto my golf clubs and club membership......I
don't
> >sneak onto the course and thieve a set of golf clubs simply because I
only
> >play once or twice a year!
> >Can't you understand that something is either right or wrong (morally,
> >legally or both)? It can't be "a little bit wrong" or "mostly right".
It's
> >either one or the other.
> Bruce, the problem here is that software IS a special case. Maybe we would
like
> it not to be, but it just *IS* different from everything else.
> Since software is reproducable in an immaterial way, it is about the only
> product that can be "stolen" without actually taking something away.
Taking it
> doesn't coincide with the other not having it anymore. This is kind of a
new
> situation, and it doesn't fit all too well into our classical right/wrong
> scheme.
> We, as a society, determine all together what should be considered wrong
and
> what should be considered right. In general, people agree pretty well
about
> these things. The fact that there is such an enormous amount of pirated
software
> going around is not necessarilly *only* an indication of how bad
everything is
> going on the m***front. Categorizing all the people, who have pirated
versions
> on their HD, as criminals just can't be right. 95% of them wouldn't think
about
> stealing something from a supermarket. And that is not because they are
too
> stupid to see that "pirated software is the same!!"
> I'm pretty confident that the majority has more than enough morality left
and
> will honestly ask themselves the question whether they should pay for
everything
> that is on their HD. If they REALLY make USE of it, they will probably pay
for
> it.
> At least, that's how I feel about the situation.
> JoH
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> --------------------------------------------------------------
Well, you made some good points here and it seems you don't disagree
that much after all :-)
Not from everything else, but from most material goods surely.
Agreed.
Agreed again. You've had more time to think about these matters :-)
In terms of effects, there's indeed not much difference between using
a freeware program and an illegal copy.
Not photoshop/3D Studio/Office suffer most from their pirating, but
actually the companies that produce simpler and less expensive
software. In the end, the effect of freeware is the same.
I think most typical home users of pirated Office/Photoshop/3D Studio
copies reason that they don't want to pay for what they COULD do with
that software, but only for what they ACTUALLY use it for.
In the case of Photoshop and 3D Studio (sitting illegally on many
harddrives out there...), they are mainly used to play around a bit.
Producing some nice pictures to put on your homepage. Or amusing
yourself with dreadfull animations even worse than typical
holiday-photographs... :-) Typically no real productivity at all.
Nobody would ever pay the full price for that software just to do
these things. The price is only justified by the actual use that the
real pros make of it. Maybe a better way to handle these problems
would be to sell $10 personal "no-productivity" copies. Bundle it with
a short manual and it might actually sell to a lot of people who are
now playing around with pirate versions.
JoH
go there...like copied movies on Video..etc...etc..
The same activity is right in some places but not in others, HOWEVER right
and wrong are NOT relative. OK BUDDY whatever you say....
~daxe
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Yes. They are horribly wrong, and stupid. If someone tried to do that in
front of me, they'd be eating my forearm.
David G Fisher
Don't they have a website?
--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)
