They seem to manage it well enough at Watkins Glen and Sears Point. :-)
They seem to manage it well enough at Watkins Glen and Sears Point. :-)
I respect your viewpoint but I think it would be fair to say that it is the
one track that people here on ras would REALLY like to see. I for one, feel
that it would make a FANTASTIC track for VROC. Can you imagine,
side-by-side, flat out around the famous Monza banking; car bottoming out,
suspension bouncing everywhere, car on the ragged edge of adhesion, where
one mistake will certainly mean race over and one very, very spectacular
crash! Remember also that Monza itself is not the most exciting track in
GPL, yet it is the one most raced! I would bet my first-born that if GPLEA
created this track it would rapidly become a favorite on VROC.
Just my two cents and you get what you pay for...
Cheers,
...Colin
<WW=stupid American who thinks that high banks=great racing a la Talladega>
--
-/-Walk Walker
Proud Member - Hawaii Ace League
>> If we have the Monza banking opened it may help the NASCAR racers learn
to
>> turn right !! <VBG>
>They seem to manage it well enough at Watkins Glen and Sears Point. :-)
>> You are correct Tony.
>> Taffy Von Trips was killed when he and Clark had a coming together there.
>He
>> was launched and went right through the crowd.
>A few small errors here tho...
>1. Von Trips and Clark tangled on the way from "Ascari" toward Parabolica.
>2. I beleive the real reason they stopped racing there was basicly because
>the British drivers and teams deamed (sp?) too dangerous. In 1960, most of
>them actually protested against it, by not entering the Italian G.P.
>History aside tho... I still stand on my observation, the banked track is
>dull...
>That's why we, at the GPLEA, have never bothered doing it for GPL.
>--
>All the best,
>Ed Solheim
>The GPLEA
Not very often if ever without a big mess i'd bet, maybe in a league race if yer
lucky...
Maryn_D
> I respect your viewpoint but I think it would be fair to say that it is the
> one track that people here on ras would REALLY like to see. I for one, feel
> that it would make a FANTASTIC track for VROC. Can you imagine,
> side-by-side, flat out around the famous Monza banking; car bottoming out,
> suspension bouncing everywhere, car on the ragged edge of adhesion, where
> one mistake will certainly mean race over and one very, very spectacular
> crash! Remember also that Monza itself is not the most exciting track in
> GPL, yet it is the one most raced! I would bet my first-born that if GPLEA
> created this track it would rapidly become a favorite on VROC.
> Just my two cents and you get what you pay for...
> Cheers,
> ...Colin
Talladega>
Hehehe.... Dunno if you saw my initial post Bill... but I'm just saying
what I think after having driven the track in GPL.
To me it's dull because;
- side-by-side or close racing is virtually impossible.
- it's not suited for the GP cars...(F3 might be better tho)
- the banking is soo insanely 'high' and is also curved.. so the car is very
darty.
- there's no real "challenge" when you drive on it cause a) you cant race
side-by-side and b) it's basicly a "flat- out" section going from the Pits
to Curva Grande.. i.e you "nail" the throttle for about 1,5mins. or so..
You know me Bill... I like ovals as much as the next man.. my N2 time on TEN
and Hawaii should prove that... Ovals are great fun when you can *race* on
them...
On the Monza-banking on the other hand... you cant.
Again.. my 2 ?re.
--
All the best,
Ed Solheim
** Proud member of the GPLEA **
(Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)
you think the banked Monza boring????
You GPLEA guys must be the only ones in
the world :)
Man, if this is the only reason why you guys don't
make it, then rethink!! :)
Should be a real scorcher...
Probably something like the old Spa.
-Thorsten Rueter
> > You are correct Tony.
> > Taffy Von Trips was killed when he and Clark had a coming together
there.
> He
> > was launched and went right through the crowd.
> A few small errors here tho...
> 1. Von Trips and Clark tangled on the way from "Ascari" toward Parabolica.
> 2. I beleive the real reason they stopped racing there was basicly because
> the British drivers and teams deamed (sp?) too dangerous. In 1960, most
of
> them actually protested against it, by not entering the Italian G.P.
> History aside tho... I still stand on my observation, the banked track is
> dull...
> That's why we, at the GPLEA, have never bothered doing it for GPL.
> --
> All the best,
> Ed Solheim
> The GPLEA
> Hi Ed,
> you think the banked Monza boring????
> You GPLEA guys must be the only ones in
> the world :)
> Man, if this is the only reason why you guys don't
> make it, then rethink!! :)
> Should be a real scorcher...
> Probably something like the old Spa.
--
Chuck Kandler
A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.
Time for a 'we would like the banking' petition perhaps? :)
WE WANT BANKED MONZA!!
(you get that? :)
Trackediting for the GPLEA has nothing to do with "doing anybody a favour".
We make tracks we love to make, love to drive. You cant spend such an
incredible amount of time (many 100s of hours!!) making a track you dont
give a sod about. Motivation to do it as good as it should be done would be
low. So I really doubt that any petition would be convincing. Sending $2000
for a full month of "work", however, would be a much stronger argument.
You dont understand a bit about trackediting apparantly... making a
drivable track is about 1% down the road to create a good track (2 hours)
.. 99% is finetuning, scenery, and many other things (100s of hours).
Which was totally unrealstic in that way, as it wasnt used in 1965, the
year the movie "Grand Prix" portraits.
A "we would like the banking" donation would have much more impact
Martijn
I fully understand that, ofcourse. But Ed told us he drove on it, so I
logically assumed that the banking itself has been made.
Indeed I don't, and boy how I wish I knew something about track
editing. I actually wish more people knew something about track
editing, so more people could work on new tracks.
Ok, so I can assume that the banking that Ed drove on is working, but
that the textures etc haven't been made? Ofcourse I would mostly
prefer a track that has been finished 100%, with perfect scenery etc.
But if I have to choose between a banked version of Monza which hasn't
got nice scenery and hasn't been finetuned, and won't be finished, or
between completely nothing, I choose the first.
Why do you think Frankenheimer used the banking for his movie, even if
it wasn't used in that year?
I thought you were against making money in the GPL scene? :)
As I allready told you, I will gladly pay for new tracks or whatever
for GPL. I had absolutely no problems with buying the converter from
Noonan. He spent a lot of time on it, and I gladly payed for his work.
It's fantastic that the GPLEA team releases all these great addons for
free, but I would also gladly pay for it.
Andre
--
Chuck Kandler
A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.
I am against charging for the product of my own fun and entertainment
(editing track). At the moment I cant see any fun in making banked Monza.
Furthermore I'm quite certain charging for a track will not quite work (it
will appear on some website or whatever). I welcome donations (who doesnt
:) , but only on a volunteer basis. After Solitude comes out, you can make
up for yourself how much the track is worth to you and sent that money to
me :-)
I wont be buying anyones addon tracks either, if I can prevent it in any
way. I'd much rather make a contribution to the GPL community in an other
way
Martijn