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Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

Joe L

Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

by Joe L » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:29:00

   Ok, Im still trying to pick out a wheel and I am looking at these:
1. MS Sidewinder Pro
2. Thrustmaster Ferrari
3.Logitech Formula (not gp)

     So far I am leaning toward NOT getting Force Feedback due to what I
have read of these wheels not being as precise as the non FF and that after
the "wow effect" wears off the feedback is useless because no one has as yet
gotten FF put out meaningfull signals, only "cool effects" that tell you
little or nothing about what the car is doing. Another reason for not
getting a FF is that none that I have seen look like they will hold
togeather. Seems like there would be one hell of a lot of things that could
and likely will break. I have said the above from a position of near total
ignorance as I have never used a FF wheel outside of the display at CompUSA.
So those inclined feel free to tell me I am nuts and that I gotta have FF
because.....

    I have read all the reviews I can find on these wheels but none of those
reviews tested the wheels on a "serious" sim like NASCAR or GPL. Then
instead used Midtown Madness and the like. I therefore know that any of
these wheels would be great for pounding the downtown pavement or perhaps
joining the wreckers on the Sierra.com  NASCAR 4 site but how any of these
would suit the (ahem) "Professional"  (yeah) is still unknown. Any advice
those of you with any of these could provide would be appreciated.

Ben Colema

Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

by Ben Colema » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:42:01

You gotta have FF because...when properly tuned to your system, it helps in
getting powerslides just right in GPL.

Ben....LWFF user


>   Ok, Im still trying to pick out a wheel and I am looking at these:
>1. MS Sidewinder Pro
>2. Thrustmaster Ferrari
>3.Logitech Formula (not gp)

>     So far I am leaning toward NOT getting Force Feedback due to what I
>have read of these wheels not being as precise as the non FF and that after
>the "wow effect" wears off the feedback is useless because no one has as
yet
>gotten FF put out meaningfull signals, only "cool effects" that tell you
>little or nothing about what the car is doing. Another reason for not
>getting a FF is that none that I have seen look like they will hold
>togeather. Seems like there would be one hell of a lot of things that could
>and likely will break. I have said the above from a position of near total
>ignorance as I have never used a FF wheel outside of the display at
CompUSA.
>So those inclined feel free to tell me I am nuts and that I gotta have FF
>because.....

>    I have read all the reviews I can find on these wheels but none of
those
>reviews tested the wheels on a "serious" sim like NASCAR or GPL. Then
>instead used Midtown Madness and the like. I therefore know that any of
>these wheels would be great for pounding the downtown pavement or perhaps
>joining the wreckers on the Sierra.com  NASCAR 4 site but how any of these
>would suit the (ahem) "Professional"  (yeah) is still unknown. Any advice
>those of you with any of these could provide would be appreciated.

Mike

Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

by Mike » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:56:04

I have a MS FF wheel and while I admit to not using the feedback feature for
the "serious" racers like N4, I do enjoy having a strong return to center
feature that I can control through the settings.  For me the feedback
feature gets in the way of trying to maintain a consistent line in my Nascar
games.  I do crank up the feedback for games like Speedbusters and Need for
Speed though, adds to the arcade experience.  As far as breaking or falling
apart I havn't had any issues after many sim miles of racing yet. <knocks on
wood>

Lap Hound


Bobb

Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

by Bobb » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:43:09

My MS FF wheel has yet to go wrong after 2 years of (ab)use. :-)

Bobby

GM Fud

Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

by GM Fud » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:10:01

Yeah, I second Bobby's comment.  My MSFF wheel cops a real bashing from me
in Rally Championship 2000 and has survived nearly 2 years so far.  Plus, it
sure helps me drive better (if not faster?) in RC2000.

Probably helps me in GPL, too.  I find a reasonable castor effect with force
feedback, where the wheel sort of helps wind on a bit of opposite lock when
the tail starts to step out, just like in a real car (well, the Alfas and
WRXs I drive).  This is a few seconds before I slam my '67 F1 racer
backwards into the GPL armco, but it sure feels good...

Sorry, can't help you with advice on which one to choose, but certainly
consider FF.

GMF


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