rec.autos.simulators

by **d..** » Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I just got GPL and installed it on my system, Intel 233 mmx 96 megs of
ram with
a 16 meg creative graphics blaster riva tnt video card. The install went
fine,
not even a problem getting my thrustmaster pro wheel to work, however
the frame
rate, well it needs help. With most all the graphics options on the cars
are all
but undriveable, so I turned most of the graphics off, after seeing what
the sim
looked like with everything on, well what do i need to REALLY run this
fine sim.
Should i get rid of the riva tnt card for a voodoo2? or can i run both?
would
this help? not enough processing power. Any help would be great

by **Johnny** » Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Well, I will prob be more helpful tommorow, or so I hope. I am having same
or worse troubles as you as have the biggest POS cpu, although meeting the
"minimum requirements" listed on box..I can see what the game is supposed to
look like from sitting in my stall, otherwise, I get less than a FPS with
all graphics on.
From what I have read however, a 233 matched with either a rendition card,
or a voodoo2 will slightly increase your driving experience, but I saw a
reveiw with a PII 300 and 2 Voodoo2's and still less than perfect framerate,
so a processor upgrade would probably be the way to go.
Hearing great things about the over clocked Celeron mixed with Rendition or
Voodoo2 cards, however being the cpu illeterate that I am, I found a better
fix and found a PII 300 SL2W8,which as it turns out is really a PII 450
cloaked in a 66mhz package, and when ran on a 100 mhz board, will run in all
the glory of a PII 450 for over half the price. I will be adding to that a 4
meg Hercules thriller AGP rendition card and a Diamond Monster 2 3d card and
am so looking forward to 30+ FPS as early as tommorow nite. Really looking
forward to seeing past the frontstretch at Monza with all graphics...as
those green walls I hear are trees really are getting on my nerves.
Good luck, and it is quite a shame that to be a gamer nowadays, you gotta
spend the kids college fund, or win the lottery..
John Tomlinson

by **John Moor** » Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:00:00

go to the files section of this site http://gpl.gamestats.com/ and at the
bottom of the page get the patch. also on a 233 you will have to turn a lot
of graphics off to get 25 fps, to get max fps (36) with almost all graphics
and a full field of cars you will need a 350mhz cpu. I built an overclocked
300a celeron to run at 374-450 just for GPL and it was worth every penny,
unfreaking believable.

> I just got GPL and installed it on my system, Intel 233 mmx 96 megs of
> ram with
> a 16 meg creative graphics blaster riva tnt video card. The install went
> fine,
> not even a problem getting my thrustmaster pro wheel to work, however
> the frame
> rate, well it needs help. With most all the graphics options on the cars
> are all
> but undriveable, so I turned most of the graphics off, after seeing what
> the sim
> looked like with everything on, well what do i need to REALLY run this
> fine sim.
> Should i get rid of the riva tnt card for a voodoo2? or can i run both?
> would
> this help? not enough processing power. Any help would be great

by **Jerry** » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Well the TNT is a good card except that maybe a 3Dfx would be better for your
Pentium 233. Either a 3Dfx or Rendition will be the better solution for Grand
Prix Legends. It really depends on what games you want to run. If you want to
play games based on the Unreal, first person based engine, or any other
glidegames a 3Dfx based card has the most compatiiblity and thge best
framerates. If you want the best performance wiith GPL then get a Rendition
V2200 based card. I am a Grand Prix Legends nut so I have a Renditioin V2200
Geno V-Raptor card and a Voodoo 2 12 MB card for other games. I have a feeling
that the direct 3D or opengl patches for Grand Prix Legends will never be as
fast as the original Rendition and 3Dfx support. I would look into a Creative
Labs Banshee 16Mb PCI card as it would probably give you the best bang for the
buck on your Pentium 233 system.

I have noticed that a lot of people want the Riva TNT or othe manufactuer to
dethrone 3Dfx as the best 3D solution , I guess because they think they are
monolpolizing the market like Microsoft or Intel. If we didn't have Glide we
would never have had a Direct 3D that was fast enough or good enough.
Competition drove MS to spend millions on DirectX to compete and now Direct 3D
games are good. Actually I believe that 3Dfx is the only vidoe chipset
manufactuer that actually delivers performance equal to the hype. With the
original Voodoo 1 chipset they were the fastest game in town. Intels i740 is
about equal to that chip in real game performance, and I know since I have
both. When they came out with Voodoo2 they said you needed a Pentium II, and
you wont see much improvement over Voodoo 1 with a Penitum 233, but add a
Pentium II 233 and up and the performance scales up nicely. Even though the
Riva TNT is on par with the Voodoo 2 it isn't the Voodoo 2 killer they said it
would be or does it run a t 125MHz. On my system in Direct 3D games a TNT
probably would be a few frames higher but I couldn't play Unreal or GPL in
there nataive modes of 3D acceleration. When all the games I want to play come
in Direct 3D and they are clearly faster then I may look at TNT or somebody
else. Right now I can say that my 3Dfx based 3D cards have never let me down
and all games support them. It is kinda like the old SoundBlaster standard,
there are others but only one works perfect in every game.

P.s. Don't pay over about $50 for a V2200 card if you go that root. The V200
isn't the fastest direct 3D card but for games like GPL that use redline API
instead of Direct 3D then the V2200 is qutie good.

Good luck
Jerry

by **Mark** » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

GPL is a 3dfx game, so you need a 3dfx card (voodoo) to really
see it run. Your TNT will work fine with a Voodoo card in the
next slot. Best bet in your case would be a single Voodoo2 (I
hear Diamond has a $50 rebate on their 8MB V2). The Voodoo cards
do not do 2d... you need two vid cards for this sim (or any 3dfx
sim for that matter).

Rgds,
Mark R.
==============================================

>I just got GPL and installed it on my system, Intel 233 mmx 96 megs of
>ram with
>a 16 meg creative graphics blaster riva tnt video card. The install went
>fine,
>not even a problem getting my thrustmaster pro wheel to work, however
>the frame
>rate, well it needs help. With most all the graphics options on the cars
>are all
>but undriveable, so I turned most of the graphics off, after seeing what
>the sim
>looked like with everything on, well what do i need to REALLY run this
>fine sim.
>Should i get rid of the riva tnt card for a voodoo2? or can i run both?
>would
>this help? not enough processing power. Any help would be great

by **Bart Westr** » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

You can try reducing RAM to 64MB. On older motherboards only the first 64MB
is cached by the L2 cache, which is very important for GPL.
Bart

by **John Moor** » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

not exactly right, papy sims are written originally for rendition chips and
were patched for 3dfx

> GPL is a 3dfx game, so you need a 3dfx card (voodoo) to really
> see it run. Your TNT will work fine with a Voodoo card in the
> next slot. Best bet in your case would be a single Voodoo2 (I
> hear Diamond has a $50 rebate on their 8MB V2). The Voodoo cards
> do not do 2d... you need two vid cards for this sim (or any 3dfx
> sim for that matter).

> Rgds,
> Mark R.
> ==============================================

> >I just got GPL and installed it on my system, Intel 233 mmx 96 megs of
> >ram with
> >a 16 meg creative graphics blaster riva tnt video card. The install went
> >fine,
> >not even a problem getting my thrustmaster pro wheel to work, however
> >the frame
> >rate, well it needs help. With most all the graphics options on the cars
> >are all
> >but undriveable, so I turned most of the graphics off, after seeing what
> >the sim
> >looked like with everything on, well what do i need to REALLY run this
> >fine sim.
> >Should i get rid of the riva tnt card for a voodoo2? or can i run both?
> >would
> >this help? not enough processing power. Any help would be great

by **Don Burnett** » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Seriously consider going ahead with the 8 mb Hercules card rather than the 4
if you can swing the price difference.

--
Don Burnette
Palmetto Racing
Dburn on Ten
AOLL Iroc Administrator

snip
I will be adding to that a 4
snip

by **John Walla** » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

That is the case for NASCAR 2 only.

Cheers!
John

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