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Fix the steering problem Papyrus.  Add a reduce with speed option for us
serious simulation types. You never did it with ICR2 or Nascar2.  You can
start with GPL.

A cars steering input should not be that sensitive on a straight compared to
a slow turn given the laws of physics that govern it.

Take a leaf out of GP2's book and remedy this glaring problem.
Add a reduce with speed option.  This will make GPL infinitely more
driveable and will make  it a better simulation.

This is a no-brainer (but it took Antoine Renault's repost to make me
realise it.

And anyway, you guys who thought I was nuts about the steering issues, now
you see that I was right all along.

Thank you Mr. Antoine Renault.

Bart brown

On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:20:37 -0400, "Charles Mak"

I've always found it difficult to drive in a straght line in Papy's
sims.  I really think this "reduce with speed" option would make a
hell of a difference, at least until force feedback becomes an active
part of every racing title.  What I'd like this option to do as speed
increases is to increase the non-linearity of the steering at the same
time as it decreases wheel lock. That way you'd still be able to make
some sharp turns (like when you're attempting a pass after
slipstreaming to the last moment) but they'd require a stronger input
to your controller.  I hope someone from Papy read the message you're
referring to or this thread...  Maybe they'd even like to add their
own comments on that issue, but I won't hold my breath though...

But I could be wrong (although I don't think so - obviously).  Maybe
there are other solutions to this problem, so if anyone has an idea
about this I'd like to read it.

Oh and for those of you who didn't read my previous posting and this
this is an attempt to bash GPL, you're wrong. I still think this looks
like it's gonna be the best sim to come out and will remain at the top
for a long time.  I just think it's still time to make some wishes to
the guys at Papy if we want this sim to be as good as we expect it to
be.

A. Renault

Hi Charles,

At what position is your (Non)-Linear slider?

Cheers!

Remco

Perhaps you can enlighten us here.

--
Bruce.
(At home)

There's not need for insults Byron.  I know what you mean and it
doesn't really reflect what I was trying to say.  Ok, my english is
not perfect so maybe I miss the little subtleties of this language,
but I thought I was clear enough to be understood...  (BTW would you
like me to include a line in my sig to say I'm french speaking?)

I'm not saying that this would have to be a part of the sim as a real
setting on the car.  Put it in the "driving aids" category if you
wish.  Because what's important is that people have fun playing this
sim, and if this slight "enhancement" can help sell this sim to the
regular guy (as opposed to a sim enthusiast like most of you).

As for reducing wheel lock I was talking in terms that everybody here
knows to explain myself.  Ok, I'll use other words.  I love
wheel-to-wheel racing, that's why I'm always adjusting the opponent's
strenght so the AI matches my speed.  What I want is to be able to
stay between two cars while racing them and not touching them each
time I try to correct my trajectory, while still being able to steer
abruptly to avoid a slow car or a crash.  Maybe this becomes easy for
people who play those sims 24 hours a day (even in their dreams I
mean!), but for the occasionnal driver like me this can become quite
frustrating.

I hope you're not thinking I'm some kind of nuts who only tries to
bash at GPL, because I'm not.  I'm just a regular guy who likes racing
sims and I know I'm not alone in thinking that those sims need to be
made for the casual user as well as for the more advanced simracer.

I hope we can talk in a more civilized manner now.  I know you're
associating me with that Mak guy and you're totally not in love with
him, but I'm not responsible if he uses my messages to make his point.
So don't include me in your wars please.

A. Renault
Excuse me for my poor english (I'm french speaking)

eheh!...

Sorry about the copyright infringement mr Menard...

C't'une farce!

Byron, you can be a little insulting you know.  Antoine is just making a
point which he has a right to.  He hasn't insulted you in anyway.

   You are obviously so stupid and senseless that you are beyond
embarrassment. How anyone could claim to know what a sim is yet also
admit that they use opposite lock help in GP2 because (wait for it)
"it's more realistic that way" could only be understood by doctors
specialising in the treatment of spastics!

Antoine,

I agree with you on this point. It must be very difficult for a sim designer to
produce a product which will appeal to a broad range of abilities. F1RS is very
good in this respect, in that it has a wide range of options, making it
possible for a rank novice or an accomplished sim racer to find a comfortable
level of play. I have no doubt that Papyrus will be thinking along the same
lines.

Don

I've just been there and I know what you mean...  

But there's something I don't understand...  You want me to move the
slider all the way to the right, making it fully non-linear?  I don't
understand...  I thought linear steering was the most realistic
setting?

Anyway I'll try it and see what it does, but the least I can say is
I'm a bit worried about this...

And don't get me wrong, I too want to drive the most realist sim on
earth, but adding a few driving aids won't make the model less
realistic...  You turn all helps off and there you go, fully realistic
and a handful to drive, just as you like them! ;o)

A. Renault

Now come on...  This sim is absolutely fantastic when compared to some
others on the market, but it doesn't make it the perfect piece of
software...  I'd like to think we have an input (as small as it may
be) into the making of this game (yes, it is a game after all), and if
I have a chance of getting one thing in it that will make it more
enjoyable to me be sure I will discuss it!

Nonetheless I'd be happy even if it came out without that option, I'd
just have to call it a tractor sim instead of an old F1 sim, because
most of the time I'm mowing the lawn around the track...  I know it's
all because I need more practice, but I just don't have enough time on
my hands, so any help is appreciated!

I hope you can still be open-minded about this as any sim enthousiast
usually is...  Right?  Eheh...

A. Renault