rec.autos.simulators

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> > Don't bet. The guys at Papy are realism nuts and are even considering
> >the ommision of racesaves. I just hope that any changes they do make do
> >not detract from the realism of the overall sim. The market is full of
> >arcade games. Btw, for those who think GPL is bad in the steering, what
> >you need is a good dose of CPR. After that you will marvel at the GPL
> >way of doing things.

> I've just been there and I know what you mean...

> But there's something I don't understand... You want me to move the
> slider all the way to the right, making it fully non-linear? I don't
> understand... I thought linear steering was the most realistic
> setting?

Yeah, sorry if I mislead there. I did a post elsewhere on this
yesterday and had linear confused with non - linear in just about every
place I used it. LOL. AFAIK the non linear setting is the most realistic
without FF.

by **Antoine Renau** » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Hey, I gave it a try and guess what... I liked it! I'm still
struggling a bit but that maybe because I'm still not used to the new
behavior of the car... I'll have to try it some more and I'll be back
to comment on this!

A. Renault

by **Charles Ma** » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Byron, I can understand the need to be a simulation purist. I wish I could
be one, but for some reason I can't cope with the control inputs of GPL.
Maybe I am uncoordinated. I am sure there are others who can't cope either
and so would like a little assisstance or maybe a lot of assisstance.

> Not me directly, but he has, perhaps accidently, attempted to pollute
>the purity of a sim. And that is outrageous to a purist like myself.

by **Jim Sokolof** » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> > A cars steering input should not be that sensitive on a straight compared to
> > a slow turn given the laws of physics that govern it.
> Huh?Since when did the cars have a speed-sensitive power steering
> system installed? I don't recall any Grand Prix car then, or now,
> that has such a system available.

"Reduce with speed" is even MORE than just that. It's a
speed-sensitive steering geometry adjustment...

---Jim

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> Byron, I can understand the need to be a simulation purist. I wish I could
> be one, but for some reason I can't cope with the control inputs of GPL.
> Maybe I am uncoordinated. I am sure there are others who can't cope either
> and so would like a little assisstance or maybe a lot of assisstance.

I'm fighting with GPL, and I'm loving it... maybe I'm into S&M? ;^)
(My poor neighbour has to listen to my subwoofer AND my swearing)

OTOH, I'm quite sure, Papyrus will add some options for the casual
player,
it would make sense business wise...

l8er
ronny

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by **Byron Forbe** » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> Byron, I can understand the need to be a simulation purist. I wish I could
> be one, but for some reason I can't cope with the control inputs of GPL.
> Maybe I am uncoordinated. I am sure there are others who can't cope either
> and so would like a little assisstance or maybe a lot of assisstance.

Well, set that Linearity slider all the way to the right for
starters. You can also use the 2 aids (sorry, can't remember them). And
also, you have the G3's to use and also the Brabham is the easiest to
drive. I do admit however that Papy have made this a very tough demo as
far as braking into corners goes and think this was perhaps a mistake on
their part. Then again, it could just be that the cars were like that
back then too. Most of us will never know.

by **Pat Dotso** » Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> > Huh?Since when did the cars have a speed-sensitive power steering
> > system installed? I don't recall any Grand Prix car then, or now,
> > that has such a system available.

> "Reduce with speed" is even MORE than just that. It's a
> speed-sensitive steering geometry adjustment...

What does ths "reduce with speed" option actually adjust - steering
lock, or steering linearity? I would think it should adjust linearity.

--
Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports

by **Jim Sokolof** » Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> > "Reduce with speed" is even MORE than just that. It's a
> > speed-sensitive steering geometry adjustment...

> What does ths "reduce with speed" option actually adjust - steering
> lock, or steering linearity? I would think it should adjust linearity.

I don't know what the MPRS games use, but I would assume it adjusts
the lock. (If you're going to do it, you could make arguments for
either, but I think the stronger argument can be made that you must
reduce the lock when doing "reduce with speed".)

If you view the steering wheel as a force (rather than position)
transducer, then reduce with speed makes perfect sense and should be
implemented. If you view it, as I do, as a position device (like a
real steering wheel connected to a real steering box, connected to
real tie rods, etc) then reduce with speed has no analog in the real
world.

FF is the "proper" fix for this, allowing the force and position to be
correct in a simulated wheel, but good FF is just too damn expensive
for all but the very hard-core (and it's hard to make money selling to
50 people a year.)

---Jim

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