rec.autos.simulators

>>Yes, you jackass, driving around and around in circles is boring to a
>>lot of people. In fact, doing anything over and over again is boring
>>to a lot of people. Duh.

>So my guess is that you played the first Need for Speed ONCE on each
>track and then sold it.  Because doing it over and over would be
>boring, ya know? (duh)

> >>Oh my god, another time !!!! I think we debated enough on the fact that NFS3
> >>is different in the fact that the tracks are "semi-closed" and are like
> >>open-road who starts and ends at the same place.

> >Total nonsense. They are NOT open-road tracks, period.

> The ONLY difference is the fact that you do more than one lap on a
> closed circuit, otherwise, there's no real difference.

> Randy
> Randy Magruder
> Contributing Reviewer
> Digital Sportspage
> http://www.digitalsports.com

>Not necessarily.Sex has always held a great deal of facination for me.Need

>I think open road courses are alot different than closed, track
>ones. Sure, either one requires that you memorize the layout of the
>tracks, but the opened ones are longer, provide more diversity, and are
>better suited for open road games, like NFS3. Randy, have you ever
>played the original NFS on the 3DO? I have and it provides a totally
>different driving experience than racing around the same lap/course over
>and over again. A game, like NFS, which tries to simulate driving a
>sports car through the highways of the US, should have open tracks. Same
>thing with other racing games of this type, like Road Rash.

> To EA Canada; if your lurking out there..

> For your next PC release of Need-4-Speed:
> Please make us another "DRIVING SIMULATION" like your stunning 1995 NFS1
> product rather than giving us another "racing GAME" like NFS2, TD4, Screamer..
> and every other driving game out there.

> Nothing has come close to the FUN and REALISM of NFS1 since it's release and
> I still run this program often, 3 years after release.

> Because...you should...
> PLEASE put some point-AB Routes/tracks into your next product which convey REAL
> world roads and scenery which can be viewed throught the***pit of a selected
> car of unique performance and handling abilities.

> The biggest thrill of driving these performance cars is going for blat along a
> long enduring, challenging and unique route. Blasting past traffic, cops and
> navigating tight, twisting and undulating terrain to the limits of the cars traction
> and to each cars unique performance's.
> In order to appreciate this the car needs to react to PRECISE controller inputs.
> NFS2 did not exibit anywhere near the precise control that NFS1 had. This really
> wrecks any sence of imersion in the game. Do NOT do "gamepad" type control like
> TD4 has.

> The Decent 15 minute length of NFS1's alpine/costal make theses tracks fresh and fun
> for a Long time taking months of driving to perfect a run.
> Having just short circuit type tracks limits the scope of a driving product and removes
> the realism and life-sapn of the game achieved in above mentioned tracks.

> It needs... A realistic player view, the best would be to implement a simular
> in-car***pit view used in "TOCA touring car" where all control inputs are
> visibly relayed to wheel/hand movements. At very least a simple***pit/dash
> view is desirable.

> ... A resonable range of cars, which are REAL and in production.
> Ferraris and Lambos ares good, But an NSX, MR2, BMW and 300ZX would be just as fun if
> implemented as well as NFS1 did.

> Waiting patiently for the ultimate Driving Simulation.

> BDW
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> >>Can you direct me to those surveys?

> >No, I don't have the references (they were web surveys, there were
> >several of them when NFS2 came out about a year ago).

> Well, it would have been interesting to see what the people who filled
> out those surveys had to say about the product and themselves, and
> whether or not there was a good mix of people in the surveys.  If you
> look here at the newsgroups, the respons has been about 95% positive
> for NFS3, and yours is the FIRST message I've seen by someone griping
> about the missing straightline segment tracks of NFS1.  If it was THAT
> important, you'd think people besides you would be screaming about it.

> >Well, isn't it obvious? Why would a cop chase you around in a circular
> >track that you can't get off?

> This is an amusing question.  Let me counter with this...why would a
> cop chase you on a straight line track where if you got to a magical
> point, you disappeared off the face of the earth and the cop could
> never get you?  That's what happens on NFS1, right?  You go and if you
> beat the cop to the finish line, oh well...toughies for him.  As far
> as whether a cop would chase you around in circles...the answer is
> simple:  If you go in huge several mile circles...and he's chasing
> you, it logically follows he's going to chase you in circles!  (though
> in real life, as in the game, the cops start putting up road blocks
> etc).  Once you learn the shortcuts and the best ways to use off-road
> stints they can be used to really spoil them...providing perhaps a way
> to "get off" the track as you put it.  At any rate, you have failed to
> make any kind of reasonable argument that makes NFS1 look superior to
> NFS3 in that regard.  The fact is, you happen to be driving a long
> twisty track that ultimately is a large closed circuit, and the cops
> would like you to please not speed...Perfectly reasonable and I'd
> expect no less in real life.  Again I ask you...in what way is the
> NFS3 premise stupid in a way that the NFS1 premise is NOT?

> >I will grant you the point, however, that since the tracks are longer
> >and more realistic from the sounds of things (not fantasy tracks) it
> >doesn't sound quite as bad as NFS2.

> What makes a track "fantasy"?

> >But I wish EA would just give people what we are asking for for once!

> Many people, including myself, feel like NFS3 does just that.  When I
> see legions of angry NFS1 owners screaming in the newsgroups about
> missing straight line tracks, I'll concede that perhaps EA missed
> something.

> >One reason I dislike circuits is for precisely the reason that you
> >like them - you become too familiar with the turns and tracks, which
> >to me is another factor that detracts from the immersive feeling of
> >being on real roads that NFS1 provided.

> I fail to understand this point.  Why couldn't you become just as
> familiar with a straight segment based race after you'd done it
> several times.  It seems like your gripe is based upon the fact that
> you do the segment once per game as opposed to doing it 2, 4 or 8
> times per game in NFS3?  And getting familiar with the tracks for Hot
> Pursuit is great because you learn where you're most vulnerable to
> spinning out or getting pulled over.  And you also find out where the
> cops are weak and learn to exploit that.

> >It limits the replayability -

> I respect your opinion, but I disagree.  Almost every racer besides
> NFS uses laps instead of straight line segments.  If straight line
> segments were in such high demand, don't you think we'd have more
> racers that featured them?  As for it limiting the replayability...I
> don't see how.  I can play for an indefinite period of time beating
> the AI, then racing my ghost car and best times of others trying to
> find precious seconds or tenths of seconds on courses, experimenting
> with different car setups, trying different cornering techniques,
> sliding versus grip cornering, etc.  The straight line segments in
> NFS1 were one of the reasons I stopped playing that game.  I got tired
> of going in more or less a straight line over and over.

> > At the same time, even in the long non-circuit tracks of NFS1, I *did* become familiar enough with the
> >layout of the road that I had a prety good idea what was coming up, so I could drive them aggresively.

> Now you've got me confused..you just complained: "you become too
> familiar with the turns and tracks, which to me is another factor that
> detracts from the immersive feeling of being on real roads that NFS1
> provided. "

> and now you're saying that you DID become familiar enough with the
> straight lined circuits to drive them aggressively, which was a BAD
> thing for you about closed circuits.

> I guess I feel like you're not doing a good job of making your
> argument, either for stating that many other people agree with you and
> are upset about this 'problem' in NFS3 or giving solid reasons why
> straight lines are superior to closed circuits.

> Randy
> Randy Magruder
> Contributing Reviewer
> Digital Sportspage
> http://www.digitalsports.com

>Because closed tracks are I think _very_ common in a sport we call "racing".
>Formula1, NASCAR, Cart, IRL, TOCA, F3000, Superbike, etc... (snipped at
>least 300 other types of racing all-around the world).

>>Because closed tracks are I think _very_ common in a sport we call
"racing".
>>Formula1, NASCAR, Cart, IRL, TOCA, F3000, Superbike, etc... (snipped at
>>least 300 other types of racing all-around the world).
>That just shows we do need some non-circuit games, especially for
>arcade racers. Circuit-racers have been done to death.

> Paul Dziekonski wrote :
> >Yes, you jackass, driving around and around in circles is boring to a
> >lot of people. In fact, doing anything over and over again is boring
> >to a lot of people. Duh.

> Thanks a lot for calling me a Jackass. I appreciate your feeling about me.

> So for you, ALL automobile racing is boring, except Rallies ?

> Because closed tracks are I think _very_ common in a sport we call "racing".
> Formula1, NASCAR, Cart, IRL, TOCA, F3000, Superbike, etc... (snipped at
> least 300 other types of racing all-around the world).

> What can you say now ?

>is still the best one IMHO. I pray that EA doesn't do the same thing
>with Road Rash 3D and make it a closed circuit track game. To me, Road
>Rash is comparable to NFS.

> > Paul Dziekonski wrote :

>        I pray that EA doesn't do the same thing
>with Road Rash 3D and make it a closed circuit track game. To me, Road
>Rash is comparable to NFS.

> >        I pray that EA doesn't do the same thing
> >with Road Rash 3D and make it a closed circuit track game. To me, Road
> >Rash is comparable to NFS.

> My gut feeling is that RoadRash will be using the same graphics engine and
> track design tools that NFS3 was built with. Kind of like what they did
> RoadRash and Lotus Challenge (or whatever it was called) on the Genesis.  So
> my guess is it'll probably have closed circuits.  Personally, though, I
> don't really mind closed circuits at all.

> - Jon Pearsall, DXI Incorporated, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
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