rec.autos.simulators

AC wrote :

You should mention "Perfect auto arcade game"

<snipped GPT infos>

It's probably to my eyes the best arcade game, but it still lacks some
points (Poor AI, Game engine fails on some points).

EA Sports never said NFS is an simulator (back from the 3do). It's a
puuuuure Arcade game, and they don't want to play with
Papyrus/Microprose/Ubisoft's play-yard.

In 2days you will find it. It's called "Grand-Prix Legends", from Papyrus.

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)

--"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

I bet you can go much further with NFS..

Believe it or not, it was marketed as a sim; the following was found on the
box:
"The physical model, fined tuned with nput from ROAD & TRACK's editors,
accurately SIMULATES each car's handling, acceleration, body roll and
lateral-g capability and performs like it's real life counterpart."

The good thing about the first NFS was it simulates something that is closer
to the users, and it offers some enjoyable, drivable tracks.

Well, I am talking about NFS genre.........can you drive a F1 on a road? Too
bad you cannot compare a F1 racing game with any real stuff; since you don't
have access to one.

Even treat it as an arcade game, newer versions of the NFS disappointed me
so much.

Ymenard i like how you think :) 2 more days !!!!!

You seem to be trying to have it both ways.  You want to explain why
you like open-circuits better, and if I poke any holes in your
arguments, then you turn around and accuse me of being intolerant to
your point of view.  

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Joe

Actually no, the platform is usually conceived as "having only arcade
racers", which is not that far from the truth. There is Papyrus Nascar
for the platform, though.

Since even Amiga 500 had driving games that were conceived as
simulations, like F1GP from Microprose, I don't see why Playstation
_couldn't_ do real simulations, if only the market accepted them and
PSX game developers were up to the task.

I think that's the whole point. Most people don't have access to a F18
either, especially in a real combat. That's why it is so nice to be
able to fly one in a sim, I guess.

Has any sim page made a review of Gran Turismo yet? Some magazines and
people go to say that it is the BEST driving sim there is, but I'd
like to hear it from some true sim heads. How is the AI, damage model,
tire wear etc.? Or is it still "just" a glorified arcade racing game?
Nothing bad in that.

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http://www.racesimcentral.net/

1. Racing a closed circuit means driving through the exact same
scenery a bunch of times in a row (boring).  A open road track is like
three tracks in one (three segments).

2. You can have traffic and cops on an open-road track. You can have
that on a closed track too, but it would be retarded.

3. Every other freaking game out there has closed tracks - Nascar,
Grand Prix, F1, Screamer, and two dozen others. How about some
variety.

Paul Dziekonski wrote

Since you just said that closed tracks are boring, no other opinions from
you is valid. BZZT. Sorry, next concurrent...

Oh my god, another time !!!! I think we debated enough on the fact that NFS3
is different in the fact that the tracks are "semi-closed" and are like
open-road who starts and ends at the same place.

Just race a 1lap, 4-5 minutes track is clearly enough to have challenge.

I still don't know the difference between :

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And:
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It's the same numbers of segments ! <grin>

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/
Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)

--"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Here is one link you can get some shots
http://bushido.simplenet.com/previews/granturismo/granturismo.html

and a perfect review
http://www.videogames.com/psx/drvfly/granturi/reviewedda.html

Yes, you jackass, driving around and around in circles is boring to a
lot of people. In fact, doing anything over and over again is boring
to a lot of people. Duh.

Computer programmers have a saying: "If it ain't the same, it's
different."

Joe

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Yeah, almost as retarded as having the cops magically vanish every
time you passed under a little gate.  And almost as retarded as only
getting a warning for doing 170 mph in a 50 mph zone.  Pretty retarded
alright.

THIS is a "good solid" reason?  Be different just for the sake of
being different?  Why stop there?  Why not make the cars UFO's as
well.  That would be different.  Heck, EVERY game out there has cars
that have 4 wheels.  And while we're at it, why not have some cars
that have only 3?  Now *THAT* would be different.  How about some
variety?!

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com