rec.autos.simulators

After GPL, there has been the WSC hype. There has been a few demos from
individuals, there has been a few Nascar games from Papy. There has been
LFS, and some efforts from Codemasters.

The response from the community on (almost) every effort from commercial
companies besides those individuals that spend their spare time trying
programming a car to behave properly on track, has been slautgther.
Everything sucks. Steering, physics... everything. *** sim-ers
encourages ppl *not* to buy a product.

If I were the Wests. I'd give up on *** sim fans. They will never be
satisfied. The Wests may very well make the best sim ever made, but I bet
you $$$ that there will be a lot of critisism if this sim ever is to be
released. "Tire modelling isn't right", "Draft modelling is worse than
N2002", "there is a few graphical glitches", "Deadzone is bad", etc.

Why on earth would anyone with half a brain or more try to please the
*** sim-ers?? When did the *** sim-ers give any positive feedback
on anything? Try to please the *** sim-er, and you will get flamed
heavily.

Arcade racers. That's where the money is - if there is any money in games
involving driving. As long as they can keep on track without braking or
letting go of the gas pedal, and AI arent competitable, ppl preferring
arcade racers are satisfied. Any game will do. The *** sim-er chops the
head of anyone trying to do a proper sim.

Badmouthing is easy. Presenting constructive critisism is harder. I guess
most of us should practise more on the latter. That would be of benefit to
all sim eacers.

Jon Andersen

Bye,
Leo

Bye,
Leo

I hvae been very sceptical about the Wests. They have shown nothing but
pictures and videos. That prooves nothing to me.

My point was that if we keep on chopping of heads, ppl will not stick their
necks out. We should encourage things that is up to our demands, rather than
to flame everything that isn't.

Jon Andersen

I think you should read my post again, bearing in mind that english is a
foreign language to me, and remembering the shit that has been given every
attempt from a commercial company that has tried to develop software
involving one or more cars.

How on earth can we expect anyone to bring us a good sim if we chop the head
off everebody that tries to do so?

Jon Andersen

Sheesh. There's just no pleasing people indeed.

Yea, *** critique often is relatively hard. That's what it's
*** for. But saying it's only negative is way off, too.

Regards, Ruud

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Point taken.

There has in fact been a few post pointing out the positive things in sims
other than those from Papy.

I guess I just had to let off some steam.

so?

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So we should just be happy with what we are given and feel lucky that we
are getting anything at all? What good would that do? What motivation
would companies have to make their games better? If I pay $40-50 for a
game, I have ever right to say what I feel about it in public. If I like
it, I'll tell everyone. If I don't I'll tell that too.

If a child makes a C on their report card, should we be happy with that
and tell them that they did great and at least they didn't make a D or
F, or should we encourage them to do better because we know they can
make an A or B?

I hate to keep going back to it, but GPL has proven that it can be done.
And that was _5 YEARS_ ago. No one has come close since and that's
pretty sad.

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Then theres the time it will take them to make it, most ppl lose patience
FACT, just look at the west forum <G>
Then comes the price well i really dont care what folk say about "oh i will
pay anything" the tough decision from west bro's will be do they make the
cost of the game high to cover for obvious overheads and profit or do they
just settle for less and hope it works out, i for one wouldnt want to be in
their shoes.

And before a RL fanboy jumps on me, my position is i really dont think it
will come to much but that doesnt mean i want it to fail, bottom line is i
dont care really.....

I think the biggest enemy of sim racing is the fact that you really need a
good wheel to use *** sims.  That means that a lot of kids out there
who might be interested in racing end up just playing Counter-strike or
something because even mummy & daddy's PC has the rigtht controllers needed
to play it.

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Steve Simpson
Australian Sim Racing Forums
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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Take out "even marginally better than GPL", and I completely agree.

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You can't really get mad at ***-simmers for picking stuff apart and
criticising, that's why the "***" prefix is there. Also, i'm sure for
all the badmouthing that goes on, there's more good work going on, with
people helping other people mod stuff and lending their knowledge of physics
and such to other people.  As much as it's easy to criticise something, it's
easy to just notice people criticising things...

From a software development point of view, I couldn't agree more. This is a
pretty bad target market, and if I was in it for the $$$, I'd pump out an
arcade racer before I'd ever try to pleace the people in this newsgroup...
But, the same could be said for any ***-whatever group. Why try to
record the next "The Wall", when *** floyd fans are just going to say
"the vocals suck. That's over/under produced. Those guys are like, just
trying to be Floyd man.. " when I can throw together 4 kids in some
skateboard clothes and record a pop punk album?

Someone's gotta be the ***-whatever people...

On a side note, I've given huge props to the GTR2002 people and will also
give full props to the LFS guys when there's a new track available! Also,
the racer and netkar people.. I -loved- Rally Trophy. I was into CMR2 at the
time as well. While I'm at it... Hard Drivin' was awesome, Sega Rally arcade
at the mall owned my childhood... Ridge Racer was great. Turismo A-Spec
still looks the most photorealistic. Ivan "Iron Man" Stewarts Super Offroad
was great too...

Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

The above doesn't mean that I'll flame any game that doesn't have that
chemistry for me, but I would flame something that /claims/ to be 'all
that', while it's actually rubbish. Why still release rubbish, when the
standard has already been set? You're just begging for it, IMO. Back to the
drawing board lads.

Ice D