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by **Eldre** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:00:45

>We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is watched by
>about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.

>They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell.

I think there are still enough CART/IRL fans that it would sell very well.
Some of just like open wheel racing, and don't care if it's IRL or CART...

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:00:45

>I'll second that. I'd love to run around in the "green eyed monster". I
>don't get to watch them now since Com***cable makes you go digital to get
>Speed.

No it doesn't - I still get SpeedChannel, and I don't have digital...
(Comcast)

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:00:46

>> they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004

><pinches self>

>No, it can't be... I must be dreaming. Mind you, it's the best birthday
>present I've ever had *if* it's true! :o)

>However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o)

S'ok, I'll be 40 in a little more than a week...

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:39:48

Thanks, Eldred.
What is wonderful after so many years of RAS is to see familiar names - the
same ones who were here back in 1998/99, after GPL was released.
Says a lot for the quality of >>some<< of the sims that we've seen over that
time. :)

Bruce.

> >> However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o)

> >You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?!
> >Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :)

> Bruce! Good to see you're still around, old man... :-)

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:46:00

Ditto - except for modern F1, which I just can't stomach.
In fact, I'd much rather watch a CART (ChampCar) or IRL race than watch
Bernie's Flying Circus and listen to the machine-gun-like, statistics-laden
delivery of the ITV commentators.

Bruce.

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:15:59

> S'ok, I'll be 40 in a little more than a week...

What? You've actually gone *back up*? Last I heard you were -1.9!

(Only Eldred...!)

Regards, Ruud

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:01:24

> was wondering when you would notice Goy ;-)

.... :-)

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by **Nick** » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:24:28

Hehe, if you think that's bad, you should hear ITV's football (soccer)
commentary...

by **ymenar** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:47:16

> > High-powered open-wheel road course cars
> > vs.
> > Medium-powered open wheel oval cars

> > Tracks like Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, Montral, Elkhart Lake, Mid-Ohio,
> > Surfer's Paradise, Long Beach, etc...
> > vs.
> > Indianapolis
> > Motegi
> > Kentucky Speedway (ooooh the prestige)
> > Pikes Peak

> I'm not saying I wouldn't like it. I just seriously doubted the rumors
were
> true because I don't think CART will help sell any copies.

Well, would the IRL help sell any copies?

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by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:19:01

> > > High-powered open-wheel road course cars
> > > vs.
> > > Medium-powered open wheel oval cars

> > > Tracks like Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, Montral, Elkhart Lake,
Mid-Ohio,
> > > Surfer's Paradise, Long Beach, etc...
> > > vs.
> > > Indianapolis
> > > Motegi
> > > Kentucky Speedway (ooooh the prestige)
> > > Pikes Peak

> > I'm not saying I wouldn't like it. I just seriously doubted the rumors
> were
> > true because I don't think CART will help sell any copies.

> Well, would the IRL help sell any copies?

Like I said in my other post, I have 0 interest in the IRL, but a game with
"Indy" splashed on the cover will click with more of the average public than
"CART". Everyone has at least heard of "Indy", "Formula 1", and "NASCAR".
They might not know much about those series (Americans don't watch F1 at
all, but still recognize the name), but they recognize the names. Very few
people will say they've heard of CART.

Racing fans would probably be inclined to by either game equally.

David G Fisher

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:37:58

Whoa there, David! :)
That's a bit of a broad and sweeping statement, isn't it?
A bit like saying that Britons don't watch NFL, or Canadians have no
interest in watching cricket.
You can't throw the >entire< population into the one basket.

Bruce.

by **Steve Whitt** » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 02:04:09

>>"Steve Whitty" <stev_mazz at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote

>>>No, no... What we want is GPL 2, haven't you heard? ;)

>> nah. then the knockers couldn't say "but its no gpl" :o))

> Teheheh that's a classic. I just can imagine one of us saying "GPL2... pff
> it's no gpl!!!"

but could you imagine the arguements after saying its no gpl. Whether
technically it was gpl or not.;-)

steve

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:08:00

> S'ok, I'll be 40 in a little more than a week...

Plenty of time for us to bake you a cake then ;o) And don't worry, being
40 only hurts a little for the first few hours... then you realise it's
only ten years till fifty and the agony *really* kicks in!

Wonder if it's too late to start thinking about a pension? :o)

Andrew "work till you drop" McP

by **Nick** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:47:29

I'm English, and I'm a big CART fan, big NFL fan too. Why? Dunno. It just
kinda happened...

Being such a petrolhead, I watch any motorsport I can, but NASCAR and the
IRL really do push me the most to turn over. Papy have got me interested in
NASCAR, but now that has stopped, I doubt I'll be watching any more NASCAR
races. If they made an IRL sim, I wouldn't watch the IRL, except the IRL 500
of course, but I already watch all the CART I can, so a Papy CART sim would
be unbelievable.

By the way, if you find somebody who has heard of Indy but not CART in the
UK, it only takes a second to tell them that what they think of as Indycars
are in fact ChampCars, and the *new* Indycars are just some poor little rich
guys' big joke. Outside the US, you just explain that ChampCars turn right
and they will be instantly prefer CART over the IRL :-)

by **the_g_ma** » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:30:10

> > We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is
> > watched by about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.

> > They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell.

> > David G Fisher

> Agreed about the TV audience. The numbers are quite low. I posted a
> week or so ago, something I read in a Sports magazine, that in the USA all
> of the openwheel broadcasts to date for 2003, F1, CART, and irl combined,
> didn't equal the ratings Nascar got for their Saturday night Richmond race.
> However, there are tons of live audiences. 600,000 paying
> Canadiens,(Toronto & Vancouver 3 day ticket totals) Similar numbers in
> Mexico for those two races. Big numbers at Long Beach, Portland. Road
> America was down last year, Mid Ohio was about Average. I'm curious to see
> how the Saturday Milwaukee crowd will be since Ovals are Cart's weakest
> ticket seller. Will Cleveland Rock under the lights? Will Mario
> Andretti's name bring back the Road America fans?
> CART events at Long Beach and Portland Oregon(pronounced Ore uh gone)
> <not Or re GUN> were the single biggest fan attendance events for those
> states...(just like that race in Indianaopolis is)
> World Wide F1 buries even Nascar, but here in the states, the fender
> crowd is king.

> dave henrie

I was at the Milwaukee race last night and, I would estimate the
grandstands were about 3/4 full. (I'm not sure what the body count was,
I don't know the capacity of the new grandstands.) That was pretty
impressive considering the temperature at the start of the race was
around 50F with a stiff wind. (I was freezing my ass off!) I'm
definately going to the Road America race when the circus comes back to
town :-)

Gary

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