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RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

John Simmon

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by John Simmon » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:46:48

Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

Tim

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Tim » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:29:30

I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats running the AI at 100%, 70d
The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with the Jasper setup.
If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a modified setup.
I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in RASCAR imo.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


  Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

  Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

  Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

John Simmon

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by John Simmon » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:05:16



I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

ZZ Busc

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by ZZ Busc » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:19:15

Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

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David G Fishe

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by David G Fishe » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:51:57

I just did some laps in testing and my times are:

Fast 48.644
Jasper 49.036
In traffic with AI at 101% and fast setup 45.194

At even 100%, and starting at the back of the field, the field just pulls
away from me when I use the Jasper setup. Can't even stay with them. With
the fast setup, I can start at the back and slowly pick my way through
towards the front. Huge difference.

Are you sure you did a 48.018 with the Jasper setup alone in testing? The
fast setup was a couple of mph faster all around the track than the Jasper
setup in testing for me.

Unlike Tim though (if I read his post correctly), in testing I found the
Jasper setup easier than the fast setup to place on the line and hold. No
push at all. The Jasper setup would probably make for a safer race, but I'd
still prefer the fast setup myself.

David G Fisher


David G Fishe

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by David G Fishe » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:02:10

As I said to John, I didn't feel any push in the Jasper setup at all. Stuck
it right on the low line with no problem. Strange how these setups feel
different to people. I still prefer the fast setup though.

To be honest, if we can't have a good race at Daytona in RASCAR with the
fast setup then it's because of the drivers, not the setup (of course that
now means I'll do something completely boneheaded on Sat.).

David G Fisher


I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats
running the AI at 100%, 70d
The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with
the Jasper setup.
If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a
modified setup.
I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in
RASCAR imo.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

Haqsa

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Haqsa » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:16:49

I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups.  The Jasper
Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering.  Not good, unless you
are a joystick user or something.  I find it hard to believe they can use
that in real life.


John Simmon

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by John Simmon » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:53:52



> I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups.  The Jasper
> Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering.  Not good, unless you
> are a joystick user or something.  I find it hard to believe they can use
> that in real life.



> > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

> > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are
on.  I think we're comparing apples and oranges.

With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the
Jasper setup pushes (and only a little).  I don't really see how
comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability
of a setup.  We won't be racing against the AI.

We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one
setup, and some running another, and then compare.

Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:09:43

RE: Jasper setups:

From the Jasper-guiide on the CD (dont ask!):

"In NASCAR Racing 2003 Season, you'll find a "Jasper" setup for each track.
These setups come largely from the last couple of years of our race shop.
They are representative of current setup thinking in Winston Cup racing. I'
ve modified them somewhat so that I'm not 'selling the farm" on our best
Ideas. I've also tested each of them for drivability in your game. I do not
consider them "optimum"setups for the game; they're simply representative of
what a real team might plausibly run."

--
ed_

John DiFoo

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by John DiFoo » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:33:07


> Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

> Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

     The draft is ferocious in this version.  At 60 degrees and
sunny, 198 MPH laps are common at Daytona, while last
year it was more like 192.  And oh yeah everyone (AI) runs
around in those big packs you see on TV-I had to quit a
race last night because I just found it so mentally draining
to run 2-3 wide for 50+ laps...

    John DiFool

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Reach heaven far too high
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David G Fishe

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by David G Fishe » Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:57:32

I did some more testing and lowered the lap times a bit.

Fast 48582
Jasper 48984
I also tried Bob Stanley's setup and did a 48485.

They are here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davegf/ if someone wants to take
a look. The Jasper and BS setups handle a bit better than the fast setup,
but the Jasper is much slower than the fast and BS. John, if you definitely
did a did a 48.018 with the Jasper setup in testing then please take a look
and tell me what's going on. Don't see how you could be almost a second
faster with that Jasper setup. BS's qualifying setup only does a 47.6
according to his notes (I did a 47.7 my first try with it). If the Jasper
setup is faster than the fast setup then I'd definitely say let's use it for
the RASCAR race.

This shouldn't be news to anyone, but the best way to tell which one handles
the best and is the most stable is to put on the ideal line and then try to
straddle the line through the corners over 20 laps or so, then review the
results in the replay. You've got proof then.

David G Fisher



> I just did some laps in testing and my times are:

> Fast 48.644
> Jasper 49.036
> In traffic with AI at 101% and fast setup 45.194

> At even 100%, and starting at the back of the field, the field just pulls
> away from me when I use the Jasper setup. Can't even stay with them. With
> the fast setup, I can start at the back and slowly pick my way through
> towards the front. Huge difference.

> Are you sure you did a 48.018 with the Jasper setup alone in testing? The
> fast setup was a couple of mph faster all around the track than the Jasper
> setup in testing for me.

> Unlike Tim though (if I read his post correctly), in testing I found the
> Jasper setup easier than the fast setup to place on the line and hold. No
> push at all. The Jasper setup would probably make for a safer race, but
I'd
> still prefer the fast setup myself.

> David G Fisher



> > Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

> > Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

> > Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

Tim

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Tim » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:52:30

John may be right, I may have had the default ***on, when I tested the Jasper setup.  I can't remember, but it was when I first tried Daytona.

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


  Unlike Tim though (if I read his post correctly), in testing I found the
  Jasper setup easier than the fast setup to place on the line and hold. No
  push at all. The Jasper setup would probably make for a safer race, but I'd
  still prefer the fast setup myself.

Larr

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Larr » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:29:05

You must not have the same "I'll push your nose into the wall in a
heartbeat" Jasper setup I have!

Larry


Larr

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Larr » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:29:55

I ran an online race fixed last night and the fixed setup felt pretty good.

Unless it was modified.

Larry


  I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats running the AI at 100%, 70d
  The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with the Jasper setup.
  If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a modified setup.
  I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in RASCAR imo.

  --
  Tim White
  www.intracmotorsports.com


    Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

    Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

    Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

Larr

RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

by Larr » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:30:32

The Steering Ratio is user-controllable in fixed setups.

Larry


> I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups.  The Jasper
> Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering.  Not good, unless
you
> are a joystick user or something.  I find it hard to believe they can use
> that in real life.



> > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

> > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.


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