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RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

Mitch Alatorr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by Mitch Alatorr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:26:59

Well without resorting to calling each other stupid and the such.

 The attitude was 100% pickup racing from all around.  Seems to me if we
keep letting in guys just to run the Daytona's and Degas this is what we'll
end up with (who was topper?).

From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys never
giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the restart
jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!  All you did all race was whine
about everyone else (u2 Larry) then you pull this shiet to restart the last
lap.  BS for sure!  N2K2 doesn't penalize jumpers but NASCAR would have BF'd
ur ass!

Brian, I watched our replay and really think it was kinda like the
Waltrip/Benson deal last night.  I was creeping down you were creeping up
and we touched trying to occupy the same real estate.  For my part Sorry!!!

Mitch

The Other Larr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:51:43

My only whine was when Topper went three wide and wiped a bunch of us out.
I also mentioned that your car was bouncing all over the track.  I prefaced
that with the fact that it could be warp, and wasn't insinuating that you
were a maniac.  I made mention of this for EVERONE's benifit.  I couldn't
muster up the guts to pass you the way your car was bouncing around.

Settle down there, Mitch...

-Larry


Mitch Alatorr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by Mitch Alatorr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:40:25

Not to be rude Larry but what r u talking about?  I watched the entire
replay and although I was using the whole track I *NOT ONCE* so much as had
a spike.  My lat indicator remained a sliver the entire race (every race for
that matter).  As for what you were insinuating I'm still trying to figure
that one out...

As for your incident from my perspective.  Coming outta 2 you were on the
inside of Grandy.  You moved slightly up the track (still well below mid
track though) and topper unwisely took you all 3 wide below yellow.  As he
pulled up inside you swerved slightly right initiating contact between you
and Mike.  I'm not sure whom this guy is but he's surely a pickup racing
king and drives just like it.

BTW 3 wide at tona is quite possible all the way around when guys can hold a
line and trust each other.

Mitch



Snipped

  I prefaced

> that with the fact that it could be warp, and wasn't insinuating that you
> were a maniac.  I made mention of this for EVERONE's benifit.  I couldn't
> muster up the guts to pass you the way your car was bouncing around.

> Settle down there, Mitch...

> -Larry



> > Well without resorting to calling each other stupid and the such.

> >  The attitude was 100% pickup racing from all around.  Seems to me if we
> > keep letting in guys just to run the Daytona's and Degas this is what
> we'll
> > end up with (who was topper?).

> > From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys never
> > giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the restart
> > jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!  All you did all race was
whine
> > about everyone else (u2 Larry) then you pull this shiet to restart the
> last
> > lap.  BS for sure!  N2K2 doesn't penalize jumpers but NASCAR would have
> BF'd
> > ur ass!

> > Brian, I watched our replay and really think it was kinda like the
> > Waltrip/Benson deal last night.  I was creeping down you were creeping
up
> > and we touched trying to occupy the same real estate.  For my part
> Sorry!!!

> > Mitch

jon

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by jon » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:49:07

Well I was sorry I missed it on account of work, but now......


John Simmon

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by John Simmon » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:00:13



I watched the replay (very carefully) and Fred didn't jump the start.  
Indeed, ZZ Busch got a better start than fred, because he passed him
LONG before the pair got to the start/finish line.

HOWEVER...

Fred used the apron as part of the racing surface just after he got past
the start/finish line (and that's how he got next to you).  This *was* a
bullshit move and could have resulted in a huge wreck.

Question for ginger - in almost every race, as the pace line comes
around the first time, you appear to fake a pit entrance.  If that's
what you're doing, why?  All it does is risks a wreck.  The races really
aren't long enough to worry about needing more than one stop (assuming
the race stays green the whole way, and we all know that ain't gonna
happen), and there's certainly no advantage as to when you pit.  Just
curious...

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The Other Larr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:06:50

Mitch,

That's why I said it was probably warp :)

You will not see your own warp on YOUR replay.  Only those who see it will
record it.  On my replay, your car is bobbing all around.

Warp does not always occur due to your connection to the server.  From what
I understand, someone elses car can induce it to other people sometimes.

As has been discussed many times, different replays show different things.
Your own replay will never show your own warp regardless of where it comes
from (connection, server, etc...).

On the other matter, you are correct.  The main drift to the right came
after he went under me.  At first, I didn't understand why my car became
unstable, but once I did it was too late :(

-Larry


> Not to be rude Larry but what r u talking about?  I watched the entire
> replay and although I was using the whole track I *NOT ONCE* so much as
had
> a spike.  My lat indicator remained a sliver the entire race (every race
for
> that matter).  As for what you were insinuating I'm still trying to figure
> that one out...

> As for your incident from my perspective.  Coming outta 2 you were on the
> inside of Grandy.  You moved slightly up the track (still well below mid
> track though) and topper unwisely took you all 3 wide below yellow.  As he
> pulled up inside you swerved slightly right initiating contact between you
> and Mike.  I'm not sure whom this guy is but he's surely a pickup racing
> king and drives just like it.

> BTW 3 wide at tona is quite possible all the way around when guys can hold
a
> line and trust each other.

> Mitch



> Snipped

>   I prefaced
> > that with the fact that it could be warp, and wasn't insinuating that
you
> > were a maniac.  I made mention of this for EVERONE's benifit.  I
couldn't
> > muster up the guts to pass you the way your car was bouncing around.

> > Settle down there, Mitch...

> > -Larry



> > > Well without resorting to calling each other stupid and the such.

> > >  The attitude was 100% pickup racing from all around.  Seems to me if
we
> > > keep letting in guys just to run the Daytona's and Degas this is what
> > we'll
> > > end up with (who was topper?).

> > > From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys
never
> > > giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the
restart
> > > jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!  All you did all race was
> whine
> > > about everyone else (u2 Larry) then you pull this shiet to restart the
> > last
> > > lap.  BS for sure!  N2K2 doesn't penalize jumpers but NASCAR would
have

> > BF'd
> > > ur ass!

> > > Brian, I watched our replay and really think it was kinda like the
> > > Waltrip/Benson deal last night.  I was creeping down you were creeping
> up
> > > and we touched trying to occupy the same real estate.  For my part
> > Sorry!!!

> > > Mitch

The Other Larr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:07:50

It really wasn't that bad.  It was Daytona, new aero package, fast setup,
mixed in with a couple of mistakes :)

With an exception or two, it beat the hell out of an online race.

-Larry


> Well I was sorry I missed it on account of work, but now......



> > Well without resorting to calling each other stupid and the such.

> >  The attitude was 100% pickup racing from all around.  Seems to me if we
> > keep letting in guys just to run the Daytona's and Degas this is what
> we'll
> > end up with (who was topper?).

> > From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys never
> > giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the restart
> > jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!  All you did all race was
whine
> > about everyone else (u2 Larry) then you pull this shiet to restart the
> last
> > lap.  BS for sure!  N2K2 doesn't penalize jumpers but NASCAR would have
> BF'd
> > ur ass!

> > Brian, I watched our replay and really think it was kinda like the
> > Waltrip/Benson deal last night.  I was creeping down you were creeping
up
> > and we touched trying to occupy the same real estate.  For my part
> Sorry!!!

> > Mitch

jon

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by jon » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:17:46

Well now I am back to being sorry I missed it because of work.....



> It really wasn't that bad.  It was Daytona, new aero package, fast setup,
> mixed in with a couple of mistakes :)

> With an exception or two, it beat the hell out of an online race.

> -Larry



> > Well I was sorry I missed it on account of work, but now......



> > > Well without resorting to calling each other stupid and the such.

> > >  The attitude was 100% pickup racing from all around.  Seems to me if
we
> > > keep letting in guys just to run the Daytona's and Degas this is what
> > we'll
> > > end up with (who was topper?).

> > > From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys
never
> > > giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the
restart
> > > jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!  All you did all race was
> whine
> > > about everyone else (u2 Larry) then you pull this shiet to restart the
> > last
> > > lap.  BS for sure!  N2K2 doesn't penalize jumpers but NASCAR would
have
> > BF'd
> > > ur ass!

> > > Brian, I watched our replay and really think it was kinda like the
> > > Waltrip/Benson deal last night.  I was creeping down you were creeping
> up
> > > and we touched trying to occupy the same real estate.  For my part
> > Sorry!!!

> > > Mitch

jason moy

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by jason moy » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:27:12



Hm.  Glad I missed the race if people were complaining about this.

My ideal Daytona race would be:

1. Leader drives wherever the hell he wants.  Cars behind trail-brake
to keep from running over him.  High line, low line, qualifying line,
who cares, there's no excuse for driving over someone if they're being
consistent in their approach.

2. If the leader is running the low line all the way around and people
are patient they can either a.) hang him out to dry or b.) do what you
do at any other track - wait for a mistake

I've never seen anyone run the low line at Tona or Dega (especially in
the fast setups) without burning the tires off and/or drifting out of
the low groove at least once on entry.  The key is to wait for that
moment and take advantage of it.  Like anywhere else, if they come
down mid-turn and hit you it's their fault for not holding their line.
Inevitably, someone holding the low line will leave the door open.

Finally, that damn Michael Waltrip holding the low line last night for
half the race.   What's up with that?  He should be fined!!!
</sarcasm>

Jason

The Other Larr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:26:47

Hehe...  Sorry about that :)

Some folks were impatient about the yellows and left.  Personally, yellows
don't bother me as I consider it a necessary part of racing, and understand
how much it factors into strategy.

If I had one gripe I REALLY had to state, it was the slinky-type restarts.
For whatever reason, some folks simply would not close it up for the
restart, and it _really_ hurt those of us on the lead lap but back behind a
lot of lapped cars (especially).

-Larry


> Well now I am back to being sorry I missed it because of work.....



> > It really wasn't that bad.  It was Daytona, new aero package, fast
setup,
> > mixed in with a couple of mistakes :)

> > With an exception or two, it beat the hell out of an online race.

> > -Larry



> > > Well I was sorry I missed it on account of work, but now......



> > > > Well without resorting to calling each other stupid and the such.

> > > >  The attitude was 100% pickup racing from all around.  Seems to me
if
> we
> > > > keep letting in guys just to run the Daytona's and Degas this is
what
> > > we'll
> > > > end up with (who was topper?).

> > > > From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys
> never
> > > > giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the
> restart
> > > > jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!  All you did all race was
> > whine
> > > > about everyone else (u2 Larry) then you pull this shiet to restart
the
> > > last
> > > > lap.  BS for sure!  N2K2 doesn't penalize jumpers but NASCAR would
> have
> > > BF'd
> > > > ur ass!

> > > > Brian, I watched our replay and really think it was kinda like the
> > > > Waltrip/Benson deal last night.  I was creeping down you were
creeping
> > up
> > > > and we touched trying to occupy the same real estate.  For my part
> > > Sorry!!!

> > > > Mitch

The Other Larr

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:34:52

No, we are talking about PAPY servers.

I know of no issues of this happening at the RASCAR race, of which I am
personally thankful.

Mike Grandy and I had a really great couple of laps racing side by side.
The lines were proper, and everyone was well-behaved until someone went
3-wide.

-Larry




> >From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race

> Hm.  Glad I missed the race if people were complaining about this.

> My ideal Daytona race would be:

> 1. Leader drives wherever the hell he wants.  Cars behind trail-brake
> to keep from running over him.  High line, low line, qualifying line,
> who cares, there's no excuse for driving over someone if they're being
> consistent in their approach.

> 2. If the leader is running the low line all the way around and people
> are patient they can either a.) hang him out to dry or b.) do what you
> do at any other track - wait for a mistake

> I've never seen anyone run the low line at Tona or Dega (especially in
> the fast setups) without burning the tires off and/or drifting out of
> the low groove at least once on entry.  The key is to wait for that
> moment and take advantage of it.  Like anywhere else, if they come
> down mid-turn and hit you it's their fault for not holding their line.
> Inevitably, someone holding the low line will leave the door open.

> Finally, that damn Michael Waltrip holding the low line last night for
> half the race.   What's up with that?  He should be fined!!!
> </sarcasm>

> Jason

jon

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by jon » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:47:30

Say, if you're not busy right now, could you run over to the Sierra lobby
and explain this concept to everyone?

<    SNIP     >
.............................................................Cars behind
trail-brake
him...............................................

<    SNIP     >

frederickso

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by frederickso » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 06:49:19




> > From guys hugging the low lane ALL the way around ALL race to guys never
> > giving an inch to the guys in the high line and don't forget the restart
> > jump at the end.  Yeah Fredrickson YOU!!!

> I watched the replay (very carefully) and Fred didn't jump the start.
> Indeed, ZZ Busch got a better start than fred, because he passed him
> LONG before the pair got to the start/finish line.

> HOWEVER...

> Fred used the apron as part of the racing surface just after he got past
> the start/finish line (and that's how he got next to you).  This *was* a
> bullshit move and could have resulted in a huge wreck.

Yea, i didnt jump the start, just look at the leaders speed, he was faster
than everyone at the green, and since it was the last lap i wasnt gonna let
him just run away from us, i used the apron because the dude in front of me
was going so slow, if i slowed down i woulda been screwed, and i knew my
apron pass was gonna be safe at that spot.
frederickso

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by frederickso » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:45:11

i didnt jump, and you caused 2 yellows, so i wouldnt be throwing too much
blame around.

I avoided a big wreck on lap 25 when i was on the backstretch, going
signifigantly faster than #86, when he just comes up the track while i'm
plainly visible in his rearview, and taps me, i let off right away and we
didnt spin. but i was pretty mad after that.

on lap 31, 317 seemed more at fault than anyone else, he didnt hold his line
and came down, i wouldnt say the car he hit was moving up, ditto on lap 43.

the next thing that drove me nuts was on lap 58, with 317 behind me i was
nervous to begin with, then 68 comes inside me going 3 wide, i knew
something bad was about to go down so i let off, and it was a good thing too
because 68 goes high in that turn and scrapes the wall, which would have
been me if i didnt let off, then 317 decides to go 3 wide too. on the next
lap 68 decides to go 4 wide, and at this point i just fall back because
everyone infront of me was driving like a bunch of SUV soccermoms late for
their beauty parlor appointment. so there were at least 2 big ones i
actually prevented.

so lets see, 317 causes 2 yellows, i cause 0, maybe even prevented some, so
dont go telling me about whining when i had legitimate complaints. and john
simmons already covered my "jump"

Ian

RASCAR Daytona.. Typical

by Ian » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:38:41

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I was already inside and slightly infront of 317, he chose to go 3 wide and
by doing so caused no problem to either you or I. I really don't see what
your problem with 3 wide is. I thought that's what NASCAR was all about,
close racing.

Incorrect, I did go high and scrape (only a slight scrape) the wall, but
that was because the car to the front left of me was edging out and was a
bit warpy. If you had stayed in the battle I'd have backed off and stayed
behind him on the middle line.

 then 317 decides to go 3 wide too. on the next

At no point on my replay was I driving 4 wide, though even if I was I don't
see a problem with it as I trust the people I was racing.

because

That's right, start throwing insults around


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