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by **Larr** » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:31:51

John,

I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper setup
at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4.

It will shove up into the wall almost every time.

Larry

> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The
Jasper
> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unless
you
> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can
use
> > that in real life.

> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are
> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges.

> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the
> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how
> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability
> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI.

> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one
> setup, and some running another, and then compare.

by **Larr** » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:33:39

Which brings me to my question earlier. Why did they bother?

IMHO, the Jasper setups are a BAD idea unless we form a committe to tune
them properly.

In other words, FAST setups have worked fine for us in the past. We should
stick with them.

I'm ashamed to say I may have started this mess. I should have kept my
mouth shut until I worked with them more. Sorry, guys :)

Larry

by **Larr** » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:34:56

Dave,

Try this experiment.

Load up a 42 car field. Set the AI to 98 or 99. Do not qual, and start the
race from the back.

You'll push up into the wall before 5 laps are over.

This setup is *** in traffic guys.

Larry

> As I said to John, I didn't feel any push in the Jasper setup at all.
Stuck
> it right on the low line with no problem. Strange how these setups feel
> different to people. I still prefer the fast setup though.

> To be honest, if we can't have a good race at Daytona in RASCAR with the
> fast setup then it's because of the drivers, not the setup (of course that
> now means I'll do something completely boneheaded on Sat.).

> David G Fisher

> I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats
> running the AI at 100%, 70d
> The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with
> the Jasper setup.
> If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a
> modified setup.
> I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in
> RASCAR imo.

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com

> Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx.

> Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps.

> Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

by **John Simmon** » Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:12:02

Then you're not doing it right.

:)

by **Brian Oste** » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:15:37

I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
wall in t4.

Brian Oster

>John,

>I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper setup
>at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4.

>It will shove up into the wall almost every time.

>Larry

>> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The
>Jasper
>> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unless
>you
>> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can
>use
>> > that in real life.

>> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

>> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

>> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are
>> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges.

>> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the
>> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how
>> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability
>> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI.

>> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one
>> setup, and some running another, and then compare.

by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:59:02

Is the push in testing or in a race?

David G Fisher

> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
> wall in t4.

> Brian Oster

> >John,

> >I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper
setup
> >at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4.

> >It will shove up into the wall almost every time.

> >Larry

> >> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The
> >Jasper
> >> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good,
unless
> >you
> >> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can
> >use
> >> > that in real life.

> >> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

> >> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

> >> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are
> >> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges.

> >> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the
> >> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how
> >> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability
> >> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI.

> >> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one
> >> setup, and some running another, and then compare.

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:02:07

It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed
to the wall...

Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
our site.

by **Mitch_** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:02:41

Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renaming it
Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or are
they used from clients box?

> > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
> > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
> > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
> > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
> > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
> > wall in t4.

> It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
> will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed
> to the wall...

> Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
> everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
> top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
> our site.

by **Larr** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:21:59

You don't even have to do that. The server host can specify any setup on
their system they want for a race.

Larry

> Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renaming
it
> Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or are
> they used from clients box?

> > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
> > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
> > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
> > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
> > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
> > > wall in t4.

> > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
> > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed
> > to the wall...

> > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
> > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
> > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
> > our site.

by **Mitch_** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 04:01:07

Maybe this is why I had such a bad experience at Atlanta using the servers
Fixed setup. In fact it wasn't only me, everyone had difficulty turning
even a single lap and bailed. Now Im curious, later Ill go offline at
Atlanta and check it out.

Mitch

> You don't even have to do that. The server host can specify any setup on
> their system they want for a race.

> Larry

> > Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renaming
> it
> > Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or
are
> > they used from clients box?

> > > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out
of
> > > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
> > > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god)
and
> > > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
> > > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
> > > > wall in t4.

> > > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
> > > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed
> > > to the wall...

> > > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
> > > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
> > > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
> > > our site.

by **Larr** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:30:51

Sometimes when I'm suspicous of a fixed setup, I'll actually save it under a
new name (you can do that) and then later compare it to the true FAST setup
in the game.

When running a fixed race, all it says is "FIXED SETUP" in the Garage. You
never really know what the setup is actually from.

Larry

> Maybe this is why I had such a bad experience at Atlanta using the servers
> Fixed setup. In fact it wasn't only me, everyone had difficulty turning
> even a single lap and bailed. Now Im curious, later Ill go offline at
> Atlanta and check it out.

> Mitch

> > You don't even have to do that. The server host can specify any setup
on
> > their system they want for a race.

> > Larry

> > > Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by
renaming
> > it
> > > Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or
> are
> > > they used from clients box?

> > > > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out
> of
> > > > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into
the
> > > > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god)
> and
> > > > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
> > > > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down
the
> > > > > wall in t4.

> > > > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
> > > > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being
veclroed
> > > > to the wall...

> > > > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
> > > > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
> > > > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
> > > > our site.

by **John Simmon** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:14:17

Actually, the server can select any setup file on his system as the
fixed setup, and everyone gets it downloaded to them when they
connect.

by **Brian Oste** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:45:08

In a race.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:59:02 -0500, "David G Fisher"

>Is the push in testing or in a race?

>David G Fisher

>> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
>> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
>> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
>> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
>> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
>> wall in t4.

>> Brian Oster

>> >John,

>> >I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper
>setup
>> >at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4.

>> >It will shove up into the wall almost every time.

>> >Larry

>> >> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The
>> >Jasper
>> >> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good,
>unless
>> >you
>> >> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can
>> >use
>> >> > that in real life.

>> >> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups.

>> >> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

>> >> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are
>> >> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges.

>> >> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the
>> >> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how
>> >> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability
>> >> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI.

>> >> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one
>> >> setup, and some running another, and then compare.

by **Brian Oste** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:47:19

No problem. I realize the problems of trying to switch setups at the
last minute. Some people might find Bob's setups a little too loose
or unstable anyway... I love his Daytona setup, does not push at all,
but you have to be careful with it.

Brian

>> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
>> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
>> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
>> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
>> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
>> wall in t4.

>It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
>will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed
>to the wall...

>Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
>everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
>top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
>our site.

by **Mitch_** » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:06:43

I'm with you Brian, I really like Bob's Daytona setup. Like it's on a rail
compared to Fast but if you do pull hard left for whatever reason she will
get really loose. Gearing kind of odd for me but I can tweak to my likes.

Hopefully the inside line outta 4 will give room to the guys on the outside.

Mitch

> No problem. I realize the problems of trying to switch setups at the
> last minute. Some people might find Bob's setups a little too loose
> or unstable anyway... I love his Daytona setup, does not push at all,
> but you have to be careful with it.

> Brian

> >> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of
> >> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the
> >> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and
> >> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider
> >> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the
> >> wall in t4.

> >It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone
> >will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed
> >to the wall...

> >Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that
> >everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On
> >top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on
> >our site.

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