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by **Robert Rosche** » Tue, 15 May 2001 00:57:43

I recently built a new machine and have a problem with GPL. The game clock
just runs too fast. The timer in practice mode only takes 34 seconds real
time for a full minute of game time. Needless to say, this is difficult to
drive. This is with patch 1.2, with or without the D3D patch. Prior to
installing the 1.2 patch, version 1.0 appeared to run even a little faster.
The system is a 1.7 P4 with a GForce 3. I am running WinMe. I have read on
some other forums about the N4 Demo causing similiar GPL problems. I had
installed and patched the full N4 prior to installing GPL. I uninstalled
everything and made sure all of the papy*.sys files were removed from the
win\system32\driver directory. Fresh install of the game does not help.
Fresh format without installing N4 doesn't help. DX7 vs DX8 - same
behavior. Gforce 2 vs Gforce 3 doesn't help. I have seen some older vague
references to this problem around the web but no solutions.

I have installed GPL several times over the years in my systems and I have
never seen this problem before. Anyone have any ideas on this one?

Thanks, Robert

by **Key Bor** » Tue, 15 May 2001 05:43:05

Robert,

The only thing I can say is ME TOO. I also built a P4 1.7 gig hz.
machine and see the same results. the funny thing is the ( Alt F )
Key says 7- 8 FPS full detail 1600/1200 and max on everything
including sound.

I used the Gforce 3 card with no problems before I hooked up the 1.7
P4, It has to be the cpu causing the problem.

Good luck
George Barton

On Sun, 13 May 2001 11:57:43 -0400, "Robert Roschen"

>I recently built a new machine and have a problem with GPL. The game clock
>just runs too fast. The timer in practice mode only takes 34 seconds real
>time for a full minute of game time. Needless to say, this is difficult to
>drive. This is with patch 1.2, with or without the D3D patch. Prior to
>installing the 1.2 patch, version 1.0 appeared to run even a little faster.
>The system is a 1.7 P4 with a GForce 3. I am running WinMe. I have read on
>some other forums about the N4 Demo causing similiar GPL problems. I had
>installed and patched the full N4 prior to installing GPL. I uninstalled
>everything and made sure all of the papy*.sys files were removed from the
>win\system32\driver directory. Fresh install of the game does not help.
>Fresh format without installing N4 doesn't help. DX7 vs DX8 - same
>behavior. Gforce 2 vs Gforce 3 doesn't help. I have seen some older vague
>references to this problem around the web but no solutions.

>I have installed GPL several times over the years in my systems and I have
>never seen this problem before. Anyone have any ideas on this one?

>Thanks, Robert

by **Robert Rosche** » Tue, 15 May 2001 06:51:50

Thanks for the input. I know 2 people running 1.5 P4 machines with no
problem. 1 is a Dell machine, the other is an Asus P4T mobo. Both are
using WinMe. I am using the P4T with the 1004 BIOS. I tried the 1005 beta
BIOS with no change. Which motherboard are you using? I have posted on
some GPL forums but I have not gotten any positive responses.

Robert

by **Key Bor** » Tue, 15 May 2001 07:51:44

On Sun, 13 May 2001 17:51:50 -0400, "Robert Roschen"
I also run ME. I have a Supermicro P4STA motherboard..
Looks like we may have a problem :( I already missed one league race.
Don't guess we can count on Sierra to help much either.

George

>Thanks for the input. I know 2 people running 1.5 P4 machines with no
>problem. 1 is a Dell machine, the other is an Asus P4T mobo. Both are
>using WinMe. I am using the P4T with the 1004 BIOS. I tried the 1005 beta
>BIOS with no change. Which motherboard are you using? I have posted on
>some GPL forums but I have not gotten any positive responses.

>Robert

>> Robert,

>> The only thing I can say is ME TOO. I also built a P4 1.7 gig hz.
>> machine and see the same results. the funny thing is the ( Alt F )
>> Key says 7- 8 FPS full detail 1600/1200 and max on everything
>> including sound.

>> I used the Gforce 3 card with no problems before I hooked up the 1.7
>> P4, It has to be the cpu causing the problem.

>> Good luck
>> George Barton

by **Ian** » Tue, 15 May 2001 08:20:43

This drove me nuts a couple of months ago, using voodoo 3 on Windows 2000
server.

The solution for me was to install an older voodoo driver, the one that
ships with 2000. The beta voodoo drivers were the problem.

Ian
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by **Marki00** » Tue, 15 May 2001 17:28:41

Well I had a simular problem after uprading to a PIII 933. and voodoo5.

I had tweaked AI files installed in the game with all the patches and latest
drivers and w98se.
Changing back to the original AI files from the gpl cd-rom solved the problem
for me.

Succes

Alex.

by **Tony Whitle** » Tue, 15 May 2001 21:05:23

FWIW I just tried installing the GPL demo (9 March 98. Really?) on my 1.4G
Athlon system and that's the same, even running software emulation.

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank +1.02
"On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

by **Robert Rosche** » Wed, 16 May 2001 11:10:26

I got this off of the Sierra Race Simulator Forum:

"Grant Reeve from Papy, the guy who made the d3d patch, was on VROC
tonight.. GPL does NOT work on a 1.7 gig and probably never will.. They
fixed the problems with 1.7 cpu's for N4, but doing so for GPL would take
way to much time and papy probably won't spend this time anymore on GPL"

I am bumming.......
Robert

by **Eldre** » Wed, 16 May 2001 12:53:47

>I got this off of the Sierra Race Simulator Forum:

>"Grant Reeve from Papy, the guy who made the d3d patch, was on VROC
>tonight.. GPL does NOT work on a 1.7 gig and probably never will.. They
>fixed the problems with 1.7 cpu's for N4, but doing so for GPL would take
>way to much time and papy probably won't spend this time anymore on GPL"

Well, I probably won't get to 1.7 gig for another TWO computers...
Sorry about your problems, though.

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Marc Collin** » Wed, 16 May 2001 13:12:47

Does this mean 1.7 and beyond or just something peculiar about the 1.7??
And any idea why it is a problem?

Marc.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 16 May 2001 17:36:42

Marc Collins wrote ...

Furthermore, is this limited to Intel CPU's or do AMD ones suffer from the
same problem?

I'd like to keep GPL up and running even after my next upgrade.

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

by **Tony Whitle** » Wed, 16 May 2001 19:07:41

An educated guess is that all 1.7 GHz (and greater) machines are too quick
and something is breaking down in the software. It means we'll have to go
back to "Turbo" buttons like we had in the PC AT days to support games
written for slower processors :-)

Alternatively, I wonder if something like MO'SLO.COM (which slows the
processor down by adding cycles) would do the trick?

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank -0.16
"On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

by **Robert Rosche** » Wed, 16 May 2001 19:10:11

By the way I read it, I am assuming this means 1.7 and beyond. I think your
question is valid and the statement could be interpreted other ways.

Robert

> Does this mean 1.7 and beyond or just something peculiar about the 1.7??
> And any idea why it is a problem?

> Marc.

> > I got this off of the Sierra Race Simulator Forum:

> > "Grant Reeve from Papy, the guy who made the d3d patch, was on VROC
> > tonight.. GPL does NOT work on a 1.7 gig and probably never will.. They
> > fixed the problems with 1.7 cpu's for N4, but doing so for GPL would
take
> > way to much time and papy probably won't spend this time anymore on GPL"

> > I am bumming.......
> > Robert

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 16 May 2001 22:22:43

I wonder if even MOslow could handle the speeds the cpus are reaching
these days..
dave henrie

is that all 1.7 GHz (and greater) machines are too quick
GPLrank....uhmmmmlots more than Tony's

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