rec.autos.simulators

> The reasons given for not implementing force feedback were certainly valid
> arguments. As of right now, there simply is no way to give the driver the
> feeling of over or understeer. Without these sensory inputs, the case can be
> made that there is no benefit to the sim enthusiast. However, MS' CPR,

>> The reasons given for not implementing force feedback were certainly
valid
>> arguments. As of right now, there simply is no way to give the driver the
>> feeling of over or understeer. Without these sensory inputs, the case can
be
>> made that there is no benefit to the sim enthusiast. However, MS' CPR,

>What is lacking in the MS FF wheel that makes it incapable of
>producing the same force effects that were present in the
>"Hard Driving" arcade sims?  Are there no PC sims that even
>attempt to produce oversteer/understeer in their FF effects?

>--
>Pat Dotson
>IMPACT Motorsports
>http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

> The reasons given for not implementing force feedback were certainly
> valid
> arguments. As of right now, there simply is no way to give the driver
> the
> feeling of over or understeer. Without these sensory inputs, the case
> can be
> made that there is no benefit to the sim enthusiast. However, MS' CPR,

> leaving its shortcomings aside, is a good example of what force
> feedback can
> do. The feeling of rumble strips, of entering a sand pit, and even
> collision
> with a wall all provide the driver with an extra dose of immersion.
> Immersion is an essential component of a convincing simulator.

> The overhead of adding FF effects can't be that large as CPR runs at
> the
> same framerate on my machine with or without FF enabled. So, if the
> above
> facts are true, then why not implement force feedback?

> In moving forward, I think we can all agree that Force Feedback will
> to at
> least some extent be a factor in future sims. My cause here is to
> suggest
> that we begin now with testing and further experimentation. The sooner
> we
> implement Force Feedback, the more we can learn and improve on this
> up-and-coming technology

> -/- Walk Walker

>The increased steering force with increased speed due to gyro effect of
>the wheels will greatly improve driveability and stability when passing
>wheel to wheel at high speeds.

>Please Papy can you upgrade GPL for FF.

>Marty

>> I have been testing MS' FF wheel for a few months now and I must say
>> it is a
>> great device for GPL. The wheel provides resistance, configurable
>> through a
>> control panel from none to heavy, which gives the driver a great
>> sensation
>> of contact with the road. I must say I question Papy's omission of
>> support
>> for this device.

>> The reasons given for not implementing force feedback were certainly
>> valid
>> arguments. As of right now, there simply is no way to give the driver
>> the
>> feeling of over or understeer. Without these sensory inputs, the case
>> can be
>> made that there is no benefit to the sim enthusiast. However, MS' CPR,

>> leaving its shortcomings aside, is a good example of what force
>> feedback can
>> do. The feeling of rumble strips, of entering a sand pit, and even
>> collision
>> with a wall all provide the driver with an extra dose of immersion.
>> Immersion is an essential component of a convincing simulator.

>> The overhead of adding FF effects can't be that large as CPR runs at
>> the
>> same framerate on my machine with or without FF enabled. So, if the
>> above
>> facts are true, then why not implement force feedback?

>> In moving forward, I think we can all agree that Force Feedback will
>> to at
>> least some extent be a factor in future sims. My cause here is to
>> suggest
>> that we begin now with testing and further experimentation. The sooner
>> we
>> implement Force Feedback, the more we can learn and improve on this
>> up-and-coming technology

>> -/- Walk Walker