rec.autos.simulators

by **steve cov** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I don't have a wheel and pedals yet, and i was thinking of buying a FF
wheel.
I was leaning towards the Logitech Wingman Formula Force.
I would be buying it primarily for GPL. I understand Papy chose not to
support
FF in the initial release of the game as they didnt think it provided any
driver aids
and could be an active hindrance.

Does supporting FF in a patch mean there has been a change of attitude about
FF.
Is this more about simply increasing the selling power of the game, or have
developers
been impressed by the performace of the present range of FF wheels in GPL.
If they were
impressed, which wheel impressed them the most?

An Internet review suggested that there can be problems with the Logitech as
it connects using
a serial port instead of the game controller port. Is this correct? What
experiences have people
had with the Logitech?

Steve Cova

by **Julian Taylo** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Your're going to get all sorts of replies claiming one is better than the
other. A lot of people recommend the logitech wheel, but agree that the
pedals are not good. To me this is a major drawback as ability to be able to
smoothly apply acceleration and braking is crucial. I have the MSFF wheel
and the pedals are fine and so is the wheel. Maybe the Logitech wheel is a
little better - I dont know - I havent compared, but I'm happy with the
Microsoft wheel. A FF patch probably is a selling point - but it sounds like
theyve implemented it as well as any other game - even if you choose not to
use the FF - the wheel is fine without FFB>

by **P?l S?rense** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> I don't have a wheel and pedals yet, and i was thinking of buying a FF
> wheel.

Buy the Microsoft FF Wheel! It's just amazing good to use with GPL! They
don't know software but hey, the actually know how to make good computer
equipment!

--
....................P?l S?rensen

....http://home.sol.no/~pasorens

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

There aren't any problems with the serial port that I am aware of, however I
generally run it as a USB device (it supports both). I love the
LWFF...think it has the best wheel, but the pedals definetly IMO are
lacking. However, I don't think you can go wrong with the MSFF, the Act
Labs version (which has a nice H-pattern shifter add-on) or the LWFF for FF
wheels. Personally I went with LWFF not only because of the wheel but
because it supported USB.

by **Vince Fishe** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Well i use the MSFF wheel, but lets face it the pedals are terrible for
GPL. So i have my analogue pedals connected directly through the MSFF
wheel pedal connection and with the use of DXtweak i can use them with
any game i like.
I can select them as single or split axis using the profiler as per the
digital pedals and really get the best of both worlds.
Only slight drawback is that i have torun dxtweak to calibrate everytime
i use a game that doesnt do its own calibration.
--
Vince Fisher

by **Randy Wilso** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

The pedals ARE anologue (I know, I've had them apart to fix a squeak) &
are WAY better than many (if not most) pedal units out there. I've also
yet to replace any springs or pots (unlike my T2 unit after 1/4 times as
much use)

Randy

><snip>
> Well i use the MSFF wheel, but lets face it the pedals are terrible for
> GPL. So i have my analogue pedals connected directly through the MSFF
> wheel pedal connection and with the use of DXtweak i can use them with
> any game i like.
> I can select them as single or split axis using the profiler as per the
> digital pedals and really get the best of both worlds.
> Only slight drawback is that i have torun dxtweak to calibrate everytime
> i use a game that doesnt do its own calibration.
> --
> Vince Fisher

by **Charlie Schumache** » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hi Steve. I have the Logitech FF Wheel, and I love it. In games that
support force, it's a blast. It connects through the USB port, not the serial.
I have a TSW2, and find that I prefer the Logitech in games that DON'T
support force because of the paddle shifters... especially in GPL. I simply
can't drive GPL with one hand and shift with the other. I tried the microsoft
wheel, but the paddle shifters (if you can call them than on the MS wheel) are
too small and you have to reach too far to hit them.
I love the Logitech. My 2 cents.
Charlie

> I don't have a wheel and pedals yet, and i was thinking of buying a FF
> wheel.
> I was leaning towards the Logitech Wingman Formula Force.
> I would be buying it primarily for GPL. I understand Papy chose not to
> support
> FF in the initial release of the game as they didnt think it provided any
> driver aids
> and could be an active hindrance.

> Does supporting FF in a patch mean there has been a change of attitude about
> FF.
> Is this more about simply increasing the selling power of the game, or have
> developers
> been impressed by the performace of the present range of FF wheels in GPL.
> If they were
> impressed, which wheel impressed them the most?

> An Internet review suggested that there can be problems with the Logitech as
> it connects using
> a serial port instead of the game controller port. Is this correct? What
> experiences have people
> had with the Logitech?

> Steve Cova

by **Frans Stekelenbur** » Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Yup...

The pedals of the Thrustmaster Formula/Nascar Force are pretty good! Those
of the MS FF are a bit less in means of strength... also in FF the TM
rules.
For the rest the however the MS is more precise has beter drivers and is
more robust/better quality...

If ther'es a way to increase the springs on the MS peddles I would like to
know:-)

Even without FF in GPL you benefit of the FF of a FF wheel.

My 2c

--gjs

> The pedals ARE anologue (I know, I've had them apart to fix a squeak) &
> are WAY better than many (if not most) pedal units out there. I've also
> yet to replace any springs or pots (unlike my T2 unit after 1/4 times as
> much use)

> Randy

> ><snip>

> > Well i use the MSFF wheel, but lets face it the pedals are terrible for
> > GPL. So i have my analogue pedals connected directly through the MSFF
> > wheel pedal connection and with the use of DXtweak i can use them with
> > any game i like.
> > I can select them as single or split axis using the profiler as per the
> > digital pedals and really get the best of both worlds.
> > Only slight drawback is that i have torun dxtweak to calibrate everytime
> > i use a game that doesnt do its own calibration.
> > --
> > Vince Fisher

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