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Steering wheel help

Buck

Steering wheel help

by Buck » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00

I bought my son a thrustmaster sterring wheel and pedel set for christmas ,
first is this a good choice? Someone told me that the wheel was not good
for nascar because it had to fast of a  response time and you could not
keep the car on the track without going inside the computor and changing
some cards is this  true? If so what type should I buy that is compatable
with my game and computor? I have nascar 2 and a pent.120 . Thank you.

John Daughert

Steering wheel help

by John Daughert » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00


> I bought my son a thrustmaster sterring wheel and pedel set for christmas ,
> first is this a good choice? Someone told me that the wheel was not good
> for nascar because it had to fast of a  response time and you could not
> keep the car on the track without going inside the computor and changing
> some cards is this  true? If so what type should I buy that is compatable
> with my game and computor? I have nascar 2 and a pent.120 . Thank you.

You have bought the best wheel there is and it works just great with
Indycar 1 and 2,Nascar 1 and 2. As for the "too fast of response"
you adjust that in the garage under suspension. If the car turns
too quick with a certain setup then set the wheel lock down a little
that should take care of it.
simrac..

Steering wheel help

by simrac.. » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00



>> I bought my son a thrustmaster sterring wheel and pedel set for
christmas ,
>> first is this a good choice? Someone told me that the wheel was not
good
>> for nascar because it had to fast of a  response time and you could not
>> keep the car on the track without going inside the computor and
changing
>> some cards is this  true? If so what type should I buy that is
compatable
>> with my game and computor? I have nascar 2 and a pent.120 . Thank you.

>You have bought the best wheel there is and it works just great with
>Indycar 1 and 2,Nascar 1 and 2. As for the "too fast of response"
>you adjust that in the garage under suspension. If the car turns
>too quick with a certain setup then set the wheel lock down a little
>that should take care of it.

Well, not exactly....The T2 is about the only game in town for around
a hundred bucks, but it's far from being *the best* IMO.

Best Regards,

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing New - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing/
http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm

Mike Schreine

Steering wheel help

by Mike Schreine » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00




> >> I bought my son a thrustmaster sterring wheel and pedel set for
> christmas ,
> >> first is this a good choice? Someone told me that the wheel was not
> good
> >> for nascar because it had to fast of a  response time and you could not
> >> keep the car on the track without going inside the computor and
> changing
> >> some cards is this  true? If so what type should I buy that is
> compatable
> >> with my game and computor? I have nascar 2 and a pent.120 . Thank you.

> >You have bought the best wheel there is and it works just great with
> >Indycar 1 and 2,Nascar 1 and 2. As for the "too fast of response"
> >you adjust that in the garage under suspension. If the car turns
> >too quick with a certain setup then set the wheel lock down a little
> >that should take care of it.

> Well, not exactly....The T2 is about the only game in town for around
> a hundred bucks, but it's far from being *the best* IMO.

> Best Regards,

> Marc J. Nelson
> Sim Racing New - USA
> http://members.aol.com/simracing/
> http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm

For the price you can't beat it. There are alot of better wheel/pedal
combo's out there but they get real pricey. The wheel/pedal works fine
on my 133 and Thrustmaster's post-purchase support is the BEST around.

Mick in Tampa
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Kheinz

Steering wheel help

by Kheinz » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Unless you want to spend a bunch of money, the T2 is about the only
thing to get.

"Too fast of a response time" has nothing to do with the wheel itself.  It
is
determined by control setup within the software, and the ability of the
sound
or game card (whichever you are using to connect the wheel to) to adapt
to,
or be set up properly for the speed of your computer.  If you are using a
sound
card to connect the controller to and it is unable to adapt to the speed
of your
processor, erratic control will happen.  The same thing happens  if you
are plugging
into a speed adjustable game card which has not been properly set up.

Karl

Paul Eigst

Steering wheel help

by Paul Eigst » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00

I'm using a Thrustmaster T-2 with Nascar 2 and have no problems.  The 'fast
response time' can be adjusted by setting the wheel lock lower in the car
set up screen.  I use around 6-8.
--

-Paul Eigsti




simrac..

Steering wheel help

by simrac.. » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00



>For the price you can't beat it. There are alot of better wheel/pedal
>combo's out there but they get real pricey. The wheel/pedal works fine
>on my 133 and Thrustmaster's post-purchase support is the BEST around.

Hi Mike,

Guess you didn't read it through...He said: "You bought the best there
is",
and I said "...only game in town for around a hundred bucks...far from
being
the best"...And yes, you can beat it, but it all depends on how much you
value your time, and the quality expected.

Best Regards,

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htm

John Daughert

Steering wheel help

by John Daughert » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00




> >For the price you can't beat it. There are alot of better wheel/pedal
> >combo's out there but they get real pricey. The wheel/pedal works fine
> >on my 133 and Thrustmaster's post-purchase support is the BEST around.

> Hi Mike,

> Guess you didn't read it through...He said: "You bought the best there
> is",
> and I said "...only game in town for around a hundred bucks...far from
> being
> the best"...And yes, you can beat it, but it all depends on how much you
> value your time, and the quality expected.

> Best Regards,

> Marc J. Nelson
> Sim Racing News - USA
> http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htm

 IYO there are better wheels,IMO there are not. To each his own.
ccorpor

Steering wheel help

by ccorpor » Fri, 27 Dec 1996 04:00:00


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> > >For the price you can't beat it. There are alot of better wheel/pedal
> > >combo's out there but they get real pricey. The wheel/pedal works fine
> > >on my 133 and Thrustmaster's post-purchase support is the BEST around.

> > Hi Mike,

Well lets not forget the GP1 by thrustmaster.

They're about $10 cheaper than T2.

And of about 15 people who have played the game now, I can safely say that all
15 (yes 100%) like the GP1 better, due to the acceleration and braking methods
used with hands instead of feet, much faster response times and better feel.

Can 15 out of 15 be worng?

Q.B.M.

simrac..

Steering wheel help

by simrac.. » Sun, 29 Dec 1996 04:00:00



>And of about 15 people who have played the game now, I can safely
>say that all 15 (yes 100%) like the GP1 better, due to the acceleration
>and braking methods used with hands instead of feet, much faster
>response times and better feel.

15 people?!!...I think Thrustmaster needs a new marketing campain!!  ;)

This would depend on who these people are I guess...However, I do agree
that the paddles can be more effective in some situations, and if someone
wanted pedals, then they could get the CH ones.

FWIW, I will usually recommend a wheel over a js, but like the GP1 vs
T2 issue, it will all come down to a matter of preference - one is not
necessarily better than the other IMHO.

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing/

simrac..

Steering wheel help

by simrac.. » Sun, 29 Dec 1996 04:00:00



>And of about 15 people who have played the game now, I can safely
>say that all 15 (yes 100%) like the GP1 better, due to the acceleration
>and braking methods used with hands instead of feet, much faster
>response times and better feel.

15 people?!!...I think Thrustmaster needs a new marketing campain!!  ;)

This would depend on who these people are I guess...However, I do agree
that the paddles can be more effective in some situations, and if someone
wanted pedals, then they could get the CH ones.

FWIW, I will usually recommend a wheel over a js, but like the GP1 vs
T2 issue, it will all come down to a matter of preference - one is not
necessarily better than the other IMHO.

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - USA
http://members.aol.com/simracing/

John Wallac

Steering wheel help

by John Wallac » Sun, 29 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Definitely, if none of them disagreed.

When we tested wheels we found it was HUGELY a matter of personal
preference, and had some good feedback on features of each wheel.
Everyone aggreeing with each other sounds like a flawed testing
procedure.

Especially with something as radically different as putting analog gas
and brake controls on the wheel, I can't believe everyone would agree
it's better. Quite apart from the shorter range of movement and thereby
lesser level of control of those areas, adjusting the steering would
have some effect on the gas and brake pedal pressures.

I'd like to have been a fly on the wall for that.

Cheers!
John

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Karim Khal

Steering wheel help

by Karim Khal » Mon, 30 Dec 1996 04:00:00


>And of about 15 people who have played the game now, I can safely say that all
>15 (yes 100%) like the GP1 better, due to the acceleration and braking methods
>used with hands instead of feet, much faster response times and better feel.

>Can 15 out of 15 be worng?

We are 75 people in the company I am working in,  and 74 are wrong
all_ the_time.

Now seriously: when I was choosing what wheel to buy between a T2 and
a GP1 (the T2 already costs $190 here I live, I don't want to even
think of another brand:(, I came across a review of the GP1 wheel in
OGR. The reviewer said that the wheel was great, but as the gas/brake
paddles were on the wheel his fingers were tiring quite fast. That
made me go for the T2. Now I feel I don't have total control of the
car (even with a TM ATM game card), compared to the utltra-precise
throttle/brakes control I see in most replays from the Net. So: don't
your fingers tire on a 100% race at say Monza or Hockenheim?

Karim

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Don Scurlo

Steering wheel help

by Don Scurlo » Mon, 30 Dec 1996 04:00:00



>Subject: Re: Steering wheel help
>Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:03:21 +0000
>When we tested wheels we found it was HUGELY a matter of personal
>preference, and had some good feedback on features of each wheel.
>Everyone aggreeing with each other sounds like a flawed testing
>procedure.
>Especially with something as radically different as putting analog gas
>and brake controls on the wheel, I can't believe everyone would agree
>it's better. Quite apart from the shorter range of movement and thereby
>lesser level of control of those areas, adjusting the steering would
>have some effect on the gas and brake pedal pressures.
>Cheers!
>John

 Controlling steering,  brake and gas all at the same time with your hands is
exactly what you do when riding a motorcycle and it works very  well,  better
IMHO.  Your hands and fingers are much more sensitive than your feet and can
more easily make fine small adjustments.  I currently have a ECC wheel/pedal
system and I'm wanting to convert it to brake/gas padals.
John Wallac

Steering wheel help

by John Wallac » Tue, 31 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Your fingers may be more sensitive than your feet, but when you're using
them to balance steering, shift up and down the gears AND control both
gas and brake, they are way too overloaded.

On a motorbike you are controlling the gears and brake with your feet,
and clutch and front brake have been transferred to your hands - it's
more of a swap than a total shift to hand control. Using both hands and
feet is still by far the best way to control either a real car or a sim
car.

Cheers!
John

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