rec.autos.simulators

PC GAMER REVIEW

Doug Haithco

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Doug Haithco » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

  In the past, I have said pretty much what has been taken from their
text of the report.

  I think GPL is OUTSTANDING in every way ---- but they have gotten
some priorities out of synch, and it is telling on them in BOTH the
report and on the shelves at the local computer stores.

  Just the other day I overheard a sales representative tell a
potential customer that he would be MUCH better buying another product
in the racing sim area because GPL is so difficult and you don't have
a fighting chance in hell of getting close to the leaders.

  This customer DID buy onother product ---------------- leaving yet
another box of  GPL on the shelves with the multitudes of others that
are there, but empty of nearly all others

  If THAT doesn't tell PAPY something ------------------ then they
don't understand PLAIN ENGLISH and understand the meaning of customer
satisfaction.  It is obvious that the sales reps are getting flack
from the masses and advising AGAINST the consumers buying the sim if
they want something fun.

  Here in this newsgroup -------------- we are a different breed, and
enjoy the challenge, but for average "JOE" out there --------- I am
afraid they have stepped on their own toes and perhaps lost potential
customers in the future as well.

   BUT --------------------- let them run their business as they
please, ------------ I see several other sim producers coming out with
products that are graphically equal to GPL, and with time, will be
producing sims the general public will buy rather than leave on the
shelves.

   Doug

Marc J. Nelso

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Marc J. Nelso » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Despite what you may beleive, it's the average "Joe" (or "Jane") who make it
possible to have the likes of GPL.  Without their past collective buying power, GPL
would have been nothing more than a pipe dream.

Cheers!

Marc


> God save us from the 'average JOE', or 'JANE' or anyone else who's stupid
> enough to spend $$ on software they haven't researched.  If they buy everything
> else that way, I'm surprised they have any money.

> I guess soon we'll have another idiot 'rating' code on the boxes from now on,
> for 'difficulty',  like they have on plastic models.  That way the dimwit
> Nintendo crowd won't have their 'brains' strained unexpected.

> If everyone could learn F1 driving in 4 hours, there wouldn't be much point in
> doing it.  As for 'graphically equal' who cares when the 'action' is
> arcade-like?

--
Marc J. Nelson
SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com/

* Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

Jay

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Jay » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

As a fan of Racing SIM's in general, I purchased GPL, and "play" it
frequently.

I did post a cut-and-paste consisting of a few paragraphs of the review by
PC Gamer magazine, which by and large summarized GPL as a game/sim for the
hard core racer/sim types, and not for the general *** freak who may
enjoy racing games (amongst other types).

I tend to agree with their assessment, and despite the numerous emotional
responses to that post, I'll still rely on magazine reviews,  as well as
testimonials by folks on this forum to decide if I should purchase racing
games.

As I said, I enjoy GPL, as I do most all of Papyrus/Sierra's products, but I
must say that compared to many other racing sims (including Papyrus' own
ICR2 and NASCAR 2) GPL lacks a lot of options/features!

I downloaded a utility recently to "tweak" the AI in GPL, which has made it
much more enjoyable, as I'm "only" running a PII 266 with a 4 meg 3d card.
But options such as driver AI, camera views (while driving) and a car and/or
track editor would be welcomed, and IMO should be standard for ALL racing
games that are developed these days.

My other gripe about GPL besides the steep learning curve, is the system
requirements to run it without having to turn off 3/4 of the graphics
options. (Perhaps if I had a P II 450 and a 12 meg video card, I might feel
differently?)

That aside, it won't stop me from continuing to try to run competitively and
have fun with this sim/game, and while I do have a few complaints, there are
still many many features about it that make it one of the best sim's to come
around in a long time!

Mw421

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Mw421 » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

God save us from the 'average JOE', or 'JANE' or anyone else who's stupid
enough to spend $$ on software they haven't researched.  If they buy everything
else that way, I'm surprised they have any money.

I guess soon we'll have another idiot 'rating' code on the boxes from now on,
for 'difficulty',  like they have on plastic models.  That way the dimwit
Nintendo crowd won't have their 'brains' strained unexpected.

If everyone could learn F1 driving in 4 hours, there wouldn't be much point in
doing it.  As for 'graphically equal' who cares when the 'action' is
arcade-like?

MW

Mark

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Mark » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Well, Doug, we get into the old game/simulation thing again <g>.
Papy does simulations.  Their open wheel stuff probably doesn't
sell too good because... it's a simulation of real life (i.e.,
difficult).  I would imagine Papy is aware of this... as is
Sierra.  I, along with many others, thot the death-knell had
sounded for serious car sims when Sierra bought Papy... thank
goodness we were wrong, and thank Sierra for letting Papy produce
what they surely knew would not be a great cash cow.

However, there could be a method-to-the-madness as there is a
budding market out there... a certain percentage of people will
tire of the arcade games and look for something more challenging
and/or realistic.  Voila.  Unless Microprose regenerates their GP
series, Sierra/Papy has the racing sim market cornered (IMHO the
jury is still out on Ubisoft).

The same deal goes on in flight sims... MS has no doubt made a
bundle on Flight Simulator over the years, but there is a
hard-core group of online fliers that wouldn't touch it with a
10-foot pole <g>.  In this vein, Microprose/Spectrum Holobyte has
spent a _lot_ of bucks working on Falcon 4, which is also going
to be too difficult for Joe Gamer.  As with Sierra/Papy, they can
afford to do this.  Unfortunately MP/SH will get much more
positive comments from a more sophisticated flight sim press on
this release than Sierra/Papy has with the motorcade rags on GPL.
C'est la vie.  Sierra/Papy, r.a.s. appreciates the effort

It is indeed a question of priorities... a sim, or a game.
Methinks the developers are aware of the consequences.  I applaud
those that go the sim route, and try to patronize their products,
as well as recommend them to those who are interested in a
challenge <g>.

Rgds,
Mark R.



>  In the past, I have said pretty much what has been taken from their
>text of the report.

>  I think GPL is OUTSTANDING in every way ---- but they have gotten
>some priorities out of synch, and it is telling on them in BOTH the
>report and on the shelves at the local computer stores.

>  Just the other day I overheard a sales representative tell a
>potential customer that he would be MUCH better buying another product
>in the racing sim area because GPL is so difficult and you don't have
>a fighting chance in hell of getting close to the leaders.

>  This customer DID buy onother product ---------------- leaving yet
>another box of  GPL on the shelves with the multitudes of others that
>are there, but empty of nearly all others

>  If THAT doesn't tell PAPY something ------------------ then they
>don't understand PLAIN ENGLISH and understand the meaning of customer
>satisfaction.  It is obvious that the sales reps are getting flack
>from the masses and advising AGAINST the consumers buying the sim if
>they want something fun.

>  Here in this newsgroup -------------- we are a different breed, and
>enjoy the challenge, but for average "JOE" out there --------- I am
>afraid they have stepped on their own toes and perhaps lost potential
>customers in the future as well.

>   BUT --------------------- let them run their business as they
>please, ------------ I see several other sim producers coming out with
>products that are graphically equal to GPL, and with time, will be
>producing sims the general public will buy rather than leave on the
>shelves.

>   Doug

Eldre

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Eldre » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00


That's a bit harsh.  Haven't you bought anything on company reputation alone?
I have with 2 companies.  SSI(long ago) and Papyrus.  These are companies that
it's very easy to buy something 'sight unseen' from.  It just so happens that
GPL is a *lot* more difficult than their last offering....

Eldred

Micheal Smi

PC GAMER REVIEW

by Micheal Smi » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00


You had better be damned happy those fools are out there.  Without
them, our software prices would be higher.  They ensure that companies
continue to spew out products, both good and bad.  Let them buy junk
that they haven't researched.  It doesn't hurt us (aside from the fact
that developers will continue to publish crap), and it makes the
publishers happy.

Mike


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