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by **SpeedR** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:53:24

A friend was in New Orleans for a seminar yesterday so I had him pick
me up a ($99)MOMO FF wheel at CompUSA. (None of the local stores had
one...Best Buy, Circuit City etc.....) He dropped it off to me at work
3 hours before I could go home....yes....I had that Giddy "Christmas
morning" feeling we all used to get as kids!!(I'm 42!) To make it
worse, my wife calls right as I'm leaving and gives me several errands
to run before I can go home....Dohhhhhh!! That beautiful red & black
box rode shotgun next to me in my new Ferrari.....wait......that was a
dream I had the other night....my 01'Civic. Luckily, she's gone with
our 3 kids when I arrive at home so I have no distractions as I go
through the "New Hardware" setup ritual. I've had a LWFF "red" wheel
since 98' and was quit pleased with its performance for the past few
years. But, after reading the posts about the new MOMO...I had to try
one!
The install goes without a hitch.... everything seems to be working
in the test panel so It's time to fire up GTR2002 and give her a spin.
Palms are sweating...heart is racing...pulse is racing...it's time for
racing!!
I load Donnington with the 550M for the initial test run. After
about 2 laps, I am grinning like the "Joker"!! This wheel is awesome!!
I was expecting to be "underwhelmed". I didn't figure that I would see
much difference between the old & the new...boy was I wrong!! If I had
to pick one phrase to sum up the difference it would be: Smooth
Precision.
BTW...I've bought other wheels since getting my LWFF but they all
went back.... Not this baby! There is nothing negative I can think of
about this wheel..I even love the pedals (been using CH Pro Pedals)
and for $99.00?? WOW!
The only negative is the weak manual. But, I'm no rookie so it
wasn't an issue anyway.
My System is homemade. 1.8mhz XP Athlon/Asus MB, 512Ram(2700), G4
4400AGP, 60G 7200RPM HD, SB Live W/2.1 Klipsch Speakers (these ROCK!),
19" Flat Viewsonic...cable modem.

It's been a LONG time since that "Special" warm, fuzzy feeling I had
when I first got Grand Prix Legends...the feeling of being on the
"EDGE" is back!!(The sensation of speed is far better than GPL
also.)....GTR2002+MOMO has brought it all back in spades!! I'm
ecstatic to say the least! GTR2002 is now the KING in my book (sorry
GPL fanboys). The only thing to do now is get this sucker optimized
for multiplayer racing.

So...whoever's reading this and has doubts about getting the
MOMO.... don't!! It's an unbelievable wheel for $99.00.

SpeedRat

by **Mitch_** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:05:02

Did ya just miss the $20 rebate? I picked one up at compusa for $89 plus
the rebate just a couple days ago.

I feel exactly the same way as you do about the GTR2k2/Momo racing combo. I
had an original momo but didnt really care for it so maybe GTR has something
to do with it ;) Smooth/precise is right on the money.

Mitch

by **Damien Smit** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:26:31

Thanks - that review means a lot coming from a fellow LWFF owner. It
certainly sounds like a really great wheel. One common criticism is
regarding the clamping system. How do you find it? My wheel is at my desk
so I have to unclamp it quite frequently...

None of the stores near me have a momo racing for me to check out, but I'm
very tempted to order one anyway. The main problem is that they retail here
in Australia for $249! (which, even after currency conversion, is double the
cheapest price in the US!) Any aussies know where I can order one online a
bit cheaper?

by **Haqsa** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:27:42

Yup, GTR + Momo Racing = a little slice of sim heaven...

by **Phillip Malphrus, Jr** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:25:52

Glad you like it but to rob a popular line from ras: "it aint no TSW2". I
went to the CompUSA and bought one of these as well just to try out a force
feedback wheel. I used to use a LWFF and stopped using it immediately after
getting the TSW2 because the TSW2 was just so much more precise and I never
felt like I could ever push it too hard to where it would ever break. I
figured that a couple of years later that the quality of these Logitech
wheels would be getting closer to the quality of the TSW2. I was wrong. The
Momo just felt like a toy to me. The steering was no where near as precise
nor was the pedals' travel as good as the TSW2 pedals, even with the pots
that are worn out on the TSW2. I tried the Momo with GTR2002, F12k2, and
with Nascar2k2. I felt I could "feel" the car better with the TSW2 even
though it doesnt have force feedback. Plus, when the pots go bad on the
TSW2, you can replace them yourself easily instead of the horror stories
I've head of that people with the original Momo have. They've been basically
told that you cant do that and that you could ship it to them and they would
fix it for the price of a new one. So, if you are in sim racing for the long
haul, I would go with the TSW2 hands down. I used to keep buying the
Thrustmaster t2's and Nascar Pro's and then I got the LWFF. All in all I
bought 7 wheels before the TSW2 in 5 years. I wont be buying another store
bought model after my test with the Momo ...

<snip>> SpeedRat

by **Damien Smit** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:42:24

Damn, what the hell do you do to them?

Does the new momo feel as solid as the LWFF (which has stood up to
everything I've dished out to it, with some regular maintenance)

by **Phillip Malphrus, Jr** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:12:38

I raced in 3-5 league races a week for a lot of that time especially when
Hawaii and TEN was around, not to mention the other games I would play. I
was in college most of that time :) As far as being as solid, it seems like
it is as solid but it feels tighter, like the plastic is so stiff on this
thing that its like driving an old 80's car with the plastic dashes. If you
were to hit a pot hole in the road, you would almost hear it like it was
going to crack. Well, that's the way the momo felt compared to the TSW2.
I'll tell you this though, the pedals that come with the new one are a lot
better than the ones that came with the original LWFF. The pedals were so
bad on the LWFF that a buddy of mine wound up taking the pedals off of a
Nascar Pro wheel and re-wiring them to work with the LWFF and that was a
pretty good setup. He wound up doing the same thing for me and I used that
until I got the TSW2. I havent hooked up the LWFF since then ...

by **SpeedR** » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:54:28

> Thanks - that review means a lot coming from a fellow LWFF owner. It
> certainly sounds like a really great wheel. One common criticism is
> regarding the clamping system. How do you find it? My wheel is at my desk
> so I have to unclamp it quite frequently...

> None of the stores near me have a momo racing for me to check out, but I'm
> very tempted to order one anyway. The main problem is that they retail here
> in Australia for $249! (which, even after currency conversion, is double the
> cheapest price in the US!) Any aussies know where I can order one online a
> bit cheaper?

Hey again Damien!

Concerning the clamping system....I dont have any issues with them.
There are three clamps but, I only use the outside two. I clamp mine
to the slide-out keyboard tray (wooden) and it is about 5/8" thick so
the rear clamp doesn't get it tight enough. I too unclamp frequently
and find using the outside clamps to be just as easy...maybe even
easier(than the LWFF)! There is a removable cowl directly behind the
wheel that hides the....the....uhhh...thing-a-ma-bobbers that clamp it
down. It pops on and off with no problem! I don't see how anyone could
have any major issues with this clamping system especially compared to
some that I've seen. I'm sure the center clamp works fine on a thicker
desk and it is easy to use also...I don't see the big criticism
here..... really!!

$249.00????? WOW! That is highway robbery! It is worth getting
but..... sure makes you wonder don't it?

gotta go do some laps.....

SpeedRat

by e » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:11:30

> Did ya just miss the $20 rebate? I picked one up at compusa for $89 plus
> the rebate just a couple days ago.

> I feel exactly the same way as you do about the GTR2k2/Momo racing combo. I
> had an original momo but didnt really care for it so maybe GTR has something
> to do with it ;) Smooth/precise is right on the money.

> Mitch

The new Momo is my first wheel. Wish I had found the rebate, but at
99 bucks it looked like the best deal- better than the Microsoft wheel
for the same price. It's good they reduced the price. It was the
best wheel I tried out and CompUSA. I've never had a non-FF wheel, so
I really can't compare them. It seems like the wheel does lose a
little precision in some games because of the gear mechanisms, and
especially if the control isn't great to start out with (about half
the racing games out there, IMO, have iffy controls), and of course
this wheel does feel a bit notchy too, but you can get used to it and
it really isn't so bad once you get a decent amount of force feedback
and spring force.

Pedals are fine but do yourself a favor and get some of that ***
grippy stuff. Do that and the pedals won't move ever. And drive
barefoot.

by **b..** » Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:40:36

Different strokes....

My TSW2 has been gathering dust ever since GPL came out with good FF
and I bought a LWFF. I recently replaced it (still worked fine) with
an original MOMO.

by **bertr** » Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:13:21

I gotta agree with you, Bob. While my original TSW is a great, rock-solid
wheel, I also made the switch to the LWFF when GPL got it's FF patch. However,
I still use the TSW peds along with the LWFF in any sim that supports 2
controllers.

So, now that you've switched to the Momo, how do you like it? Is it that much
better than the LWFF? And is it the original Momo, or the "new" one?

Bert

> >Glad you like it but to rob a popular line from ras: "it aint no TSW2". I
> >went to the CompUSA and bought one of these as well just to try out a force
> >feedback wheel. I used to use a LWFF and stopped using it immediately after
> >getting the TSW2 because the TSW2 was just so much more precise and I never
> >felt like I could ever push it too hard to where it would ever break.

> Different strokes....

> My TSW2 has been gathering dust ever since GPL came out with good FF
> and I bought a LWFF. I recently replaced it (still worked fine) with
> an original MOMO.

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