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by **Greg Cisk** » Mon, 17 May 1999 04:00:00

When I was using the 3.12 Logitech software I had a problem
at a race where the wheel freaked out and lost all of it's FF.
The innards of the Logitech Wheel made a weird motor sound
then all of a sudden the effects were gone. Just wobbly crap.
So I decided to give the 3.20 Logitech beta a try. I had a hard
crash and things got a little weird again but that could be from
a missing rear wheel :-) Anyway is it a known problem that the
Logitech FF wheel looses its FF effects in F1RS somehow?
If so, does MGPRS2 fix this?

When it works the wheel is awesome. *WAY* better than the
MS wheel I tried 6 months ago. I was going to give some type
of "my review" on the wheel but then this problem crept in.
I guess I have 14 days to figure out if I should return it to Best
Buy or not...

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by **Kai Fulle** » Mon, 17 May 1999 04:00:00

I don't know Greg, sounds defective, might want to exercise that 1 year
warenty

>When I was using the 3.12 Logitech software I had a problem
>at a race where the wheel freaked out and lost all of it's FF.
>The innards of the Logitech Wheel made a weird motor sound
>then all of a sudden the effects were gone. Just wobbly crap.
>So I decided to give the 3.20 Logitech beta a try. I had a hard
>crash and things got a little weird again but that could be from
>a missing rear wheel :-) Anyway is it a known problem that the
>Logitech FF wheel looses its FF effects in F1RS somehow?
>If so, does MGPRS2 fix this?

>When it works the wheel is awesome. *WAY* better than the
>MS wheel I tried 6 months ago. I was going to give some type
>of "my review" on the wheel but then this problem crept in.
>I guess I have 14 days to figure out if I should return it to Best
>Buy or not...

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by **Greg Cisk** » Tue, 18 May 1999 04:00:00

>I don't know Greg, sounds defective, might want to exercise that 1 year
>warenty

Why? I bought it 36 hours ago. I might want to take it back and
get another one...

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by **Kai Fulle** » Tue, 18 May 1999 04:00:00

if the store dosn't take returns...

allthough if it's hardware I'm not sure why they wouldn't...

>>I don't know Greg, sounds defective, might want to exercise that 1 year
>>warenty

>Why? I bought it 36 hours ago. I might want to take it back and
>get another one...

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by **Greg Cisk** » Tue, 18 May 1999 04:00:00

>if the store dosn't take returns...

I wouldn't buy a $200 wheel from a store that wouldn't take
returns. And for $200 the wheel damn well better be perfect.
As it turns out the second unit is bad too. The wheel is raspy
sounding and I can feel some abrasiveness when I turn it. So
this one goes back too. If I can ever find a good one I'll be set
I guess.

The Best Buy I bought it from has a 30 day return policy.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Wed, 19 May 1999 04:00:00

I returned my second wheel to Best Buy then had to go
to a second one to get the 3rd wheel. All 4 wheels in this
second store were opened and no doubt returned. They
had clear tape over the factory clear tape but you could tell
the box had already been opened. So I went to a 3rd store
and all these boxes were factory sealed.

OK so I fire up F1RS and head off to Monaco to check out
this 3rd wheel. Everything seems to be going fine! I am 58
secs ahead of second and knock my front wing off with 5
laps remaining. So I decide to pit and change the wing. I
come out of the pits and totally get rearended by a back
marker. All of a sudden the wheel just freaks out and looses
its FF tension/effects. I had the effects in F1RS maxed out
and the effects in the joystick applet set to 130%. So I
lowered the F1RS setting to the default. And I set the
spring and dampening to 100%. I kept the over all FF
effects in the joystick applet at 130% though. I ran another
25% race at Monaco and started from the rear. I took the
lead on the last lap and everything with the wheel worked
fine. I did bounce off of guard rails and other cars sometimes
but it still held together :-)

I am suspicious that the Logitech FF wheel does not like
to have the settings cranked up. I only have problems when
I get into a major shunt but still the settings should not get
lost like that. Anyone else notice this? I would be interested
to know what other Logitech users have their control panel
and F1RS settings at.

Thanks :-)

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by **Tony Wys** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Do you have the latest drivers? I noticed this in Viper and
<cough>NRev</cough> where the effects would just go out. Got new drivers and
she works great for me now.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

>Do you have the latest drivers? I noticed this in Viper and
><cough>NRev</cough> where the effects would just go out. Got new drivers
and
>she works great for me now.

Yes I got the 3.20 beta drivers from www.wingmanteam.com when I had
my first wheel. Can you see what your settings are set to in the control
panel?

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by J » Sun, 23 May 1999 04:00:00

Same for me. Lost FF, came back after esc-resume.

Never had this problem in MGPRS2

Jens

On Sun, 16 May 1999 20:33:22 -0500, "Greg Cisko"

>When I was using the 3.12 Logitech software I had a problem
>at a race where the wheel freaked out and lost all of it's FF.
>The innards of the Logitech Wheel made a weird motor sound
>then all of a sudden the effects were gone. Just wobbly crap.
>So I decided to give the 3.20 Logitech beta a try. I had a hard
>crash and things got a little weird again but that could be from
>a missing rear wheel :-) Anyway is it a known problem that the
>Logitech FF wheel looses its FF effects in F1RS somehow?
>If so, does MGPRS2 fix this?

>When it works the wheel is awesome. *WAY* better than the
>MS wheel I tried 6 months ago. I was going to give some type
>of "my review" on the wheel but then this problem crept in.
>I guess I have 14 days to figure out if I should return it to Best
>Buy or not...

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 23 May 1999 04:00:00

>Same for me. Lost FF, came back after esc-resume.

Did you loose the FF after you had a huge shunt? That
is the only time it has happened for me. I also haven't had
it happen again since I lowered the spring rate to 100%.

I have probably put over 12 hours on the wheel in F1RS
at the Barcelona track. No problems at all. It seems like
the Logitech is a keeper after all.

How are the FF effects in MGPRS2 compared to F1RS?
I heard (and read here) that the effects are less in MGPRS2
than F1RS. Is this really true?

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by **DPHI** » Sun, 23 May 1999 04:00:00

I haven't lost the FF effects in F1RS since doing a clean install a couple of
weeks ago. However, I did have the Logitech software just quit on me in the
middle of an online GPL race. All of a sudden the wheel wouldn't center and I
lost all spring effect. I finished the race but lost a few positions trying to
get a handle on the car. I turned the spring effects back to 100% and have had
no further problems.

-don

by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 23 May 1999 04:00:00

>I haven't lost the FF effects in F1RS since doing a clean install a couple
of
>weeks ago. However, I did have the Logitech software just quit on me in the
>middle of an online GPL race. All of a sudden the wheel wouldn't center and
I
>lost all spring effect. I finished the race but lost a few positions trying

to

Yes this is the effect. Did you hit something or did it just go away while
driving?

What was it set to when you had this problem. I was loosing the spring
tension when the spring was up to 130%. After I turned it down to 100%
it has been OK.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 23 May 1999 04:00:00

>>Yes this is the effect. Did you hit something or did it just go away while
>>driving?

>Yeah, it was after one of those flaming multi-car deals<vbg>.

That was *ALWAYS* when I would loose my FF too. I believe the
windows driver does not know how to deal with that much force
so it is kind of like a divide-by-zero overflow thing and it looses
it's settings. I guess the thing is to not wreck so you don't have
to worry about it :-)

I have had no problems at all with the spring down to 100%. Over all
effects and dampening is at 130% though. I have found the Logitech
FF to be a superb wheel/pedal combo. I believe the pedals and weak
FF effect complaints are bogus. I am very happy with the setup.

Thanks for confirming my theory :-)

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by **DPHI** » Mon, 24 May 1999 04:00:00

Yeah, it was after one of those flaming multi-car deals<vbg>.

I was up to 120%. I turned it down and have run F1RS and GPL all day with no
problems.

-don

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