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Howdy,

I've recently driven the new Daytona track in N3 and was wondering what
everyone is in such a tizzy about.  Sure, the real NASCAR Daytona track
is known more as a "handling" track than Talladega, and requires more
of the driver to do well, but that's far from the case with the N3
version of Daytona.  It's simply flat-out-follow-the-guy-in-front-of-
you just like Talladega is.  Different only in name and scenery.  I can
appreciate the mysticism that accompanies the name, but it's really no
different.

Welcoming opinions,

-Chris-

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I agree, the track is ALOT like Tally. It seems a little more narrow than
Tally and the S/F line is a where it is supposed to be but it seems an awful
lot like Tally to me. Maybe they took a page out of Gary's book!
Al Stiff

And... ?

Daytona is to Talladega what TexasMotorSpeedway is to C***teMS.  Same
basic shape, still alot different if you have any clue of corner radius,
straight lenghts, strategies of drafting, etc..

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good point.

OK.  Point taken.  It is differently shaped and, thus, not identical to
Talladega.  What I was getting at, though, was how in the Papy version
of Daytona you don't drive it any differently than the Papy version of
Talladega.  It's 100%-foot-to-the-floor all the time.  I was even
dicing with the AI and changing lines on the banking without lifting.

-Chris-

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Agree'd.....Tally & Daytona  can be a bore....which brings up another Q....

How's come every time I go to race online there's almost nuttin but talladega
running?  Most everything worthwhile is either password lockout or 300+
Ping.....

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        Opinion - they're both flat out restrictor plate tracks, which
many drivers, real and simmed, hate.  But Daytona is narrow and the
straights are a lot shorter, very different "rhythm".   Driving in
traffic is very different because of the narrow width.

        Basically the tizzy is that it's a great thing for those of us
who want to drive the track and then watch the actual race.  Anybody
tried it with Legends yet?

        bob

Tally races are for the newbies, I guess... I've never understood why Talladega
is the most popular track.

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So you have driven the N3 Daytona track and seen a difference in
the required driving style??? It sounds like Dega with a Daytona
paint job to me.

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Well OK... That is enough for me. I do believe the rhythm
should be different. If it is as you say, that is good enough for
me.

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And what's wrong with a 500 mile straight race. I Love Bristol and Homestead
is my favorite but, that does not mean I don't like the thrill of going 200+
mph and passing some of the best of them. As far as 100% flat out racing, If
you never lift at Daytona or Dega then you must be the guy who hits me when
he is drafting at 200+ on the backstretch:). Obviously I am a #3 fan!! GO
DALE

First you are comparing two tracks that are not replicating real life all
that well. Both Dega and the Papytona have very relaxed tire wear and fairly
high grip settings. Why? Think of the number of arcade racers (very broad
definition here) that only race Dega online. It is simple marketing, and Im
sure Papy has learned from the GPL "too difficult so Im returning it" sales.
If you were to bring the tires setting to a more realistic stting, Papy-Tona
does become more a handling track in which you have to pay attention to tire
wear and possible even breath off the throttle hear and there. You think
that would work for the masses? na, too many people would actually have to
make a setup.... eeek!

Second, Tona and Dega have some very big differences that an experienced sim
racer or driver would easily recognize. 1) the back straight is shorter, 2)
the tri-oval is longer, 3) the banking is less, 4) the track width is 8'
less, 5) the turns have a shorter radius (1000' vs Degas 1100') These may
not all seem like a lot, but they add up to make a very different track then
Dega

Third, If you know where to look you can see that the Daytona track was
created wrong. it is 2.5 miles around where the apron meets the track, while
Dega is 2.66 miles measured a lane from the outside wall. NASCAR measures
thier tracks at either 10 or 11 feet from the outside wall, that is what
determines if the track is 2.5 or 2.7 miles. Unfortunately, the Papytona is
probably closer to 2.7 miles long because of this simple design flaw. You
can test this theory by driving on the apron holding a speed of 60mph... it
will take you 2.5 minutes to travel the track. Now do it at 10 feet from the
outside wall, it will take you longer than 2.5 min. (60mph = 1 mile per
minute)

Then what the hell is the idiot that started this thread talking about?
Also, I thought someone said the track wouldn't work online with
won.net (which is the only way I have been doing online).
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FWIW, I don't find much of a difference between the 2 tracks.  If
indeed in real life you're required to lift through the turns, then
the Daytona demo is way off since you're able to zip around the track
flat out.  Hmmm, sounds just like another track.

I don't find much difference between C***te/Texas either.  Sure
there are banking diffs, etc., but they don't add up to a markedly
different driving experience.  The differences between Daytona/Dega
are even less noticeable.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:01:10 -0600, "Greg Cisko"

And what if the others that had joined your session do not have
the new daytona, or have the deg-tona renamed track?

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