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by **Don Wilsh** » Sat, 18 May 2002 00:35:51

Racing at Daytona can give interesting results.. It appears that adding
cloudy at night actually slows you down where it usually speeds you up..
Now why would the night times be slower...

Don

Daytona Day

Position Name Country Date Lap time
1 Alex Spain 2002-04-13 00:45.568
2 Alan C. Daly United Kingdom 2002-04-29 00:45.714
3 Philippe Lebel France 2002-05-06 00:45.787
4 Don Wilshe United States 2002-05-14 00:45.834
5 Dave Ruskey United States 2002-04-30 00:45.839
6 Rusted Walleye United States 2002-04-23 00:45.846
7 kyle morse United States 2002-05-09 00:46.095

Daytona Night...
Position Name Country Date Lap time
1 John Hilsman United States 2002-04-06 00:46.090
2 Don Wilshe United States 2002-05-06 00:46.141
3 kyle morse United States 2002-03-25 00:46.144
4 Lars Klck Germany 2002-05-07 00:46.221
5 Luca Ceretti Italy 2002-04-26 00:46.413
6 Rusted Walleye United States 2002-02-24 00:46.419
7 Philippe Lebel France 2002-05-12 00:46.473
8 Alan C. Daly United Kingdom 2002-04-05 00:46.526

by **Chad Roger** » Sat, 18 May 2002 01:29:22

The night races are typically as much as 40 degrees hotter than the day.
July vs. Feb. It's the temp that makes the most difference, cloud cover is
faster than clear as well.

Chad

by **Joe Zacharia** » Sat, 18 May 2002 02:10:58

No doubt - I raced one the other day at 101F! Night time yes - but July in
Florida too!
Cooler air means you go faster.

A terrible fate - hung out on in a plate race by yourself! Death by boredom!

by **Don Wilsh** » Sat, 18 May 2002 03:33:23

I have found that true except at Daytona.. cloudy night is slower..

dw

> The night races are typically as much as 40 degrees hotter than the day.
> July vs. Feb. It's the temp that makes the most difference, cloud cover
is
> faster than clear as well.

> Chad

> > Racing at Daytona can give interesting results.. It appears that adding
> > cloudy at night actually slows you down where it usually speeds you up..
> > Now why would the night times be slower...

> > Don

> > Daytona Day

> > Position Name Country Date Lap time
> > 1 Alex Spain 2002-04-13 00:45.568
> > 2 Alan C. Daly United Kingdom 2002-04-29 00:45.714
> > 3 Philippe Lebel France 2002-05-06 00:45.787
> > 4 Don Wilshe United States 2002-05-14 00:45.834
> > 5 Dave Ruskey United States 2002-04-30 00:45.839
> > 6 Rusted Walleye United States 2002-04-23 00:45.846
> > 7 kyle morse United States 2002-05-09 00:46.095

> > Daytona Night...
> > Position Name Country Date Lap time
> > 1 John Hilsman United States 2002-04-06 00:46.090
> > 2 Don Wilshe United States 2002-05-06 00:46.141
> > 3 kyle morse United States 2002-03-25 00:46.144
> > 4 Lars Klck Germany 2002-05-07 00:46.221
> > 5 Luca Ceretti Italy 2002-04-26 00:46.413
> > 6 Rusted Walleye United States 2002-02-24 00:46.419
> > 7 Philippe Lebel France 2002-05-12 00:46.473
> > 8 Alan C. Daly United Kingdom 2002-04-05 00:46.526

by **ymenar** » Sat, 18 May 2002 08:30:37

> Racing at Daytona can give interesting results.. It appears that adding
> cloudy at night actually slows you down where it usually speeds you up..
> Now why would the night times be slower...

Wow gee not again Don.

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by **jason moy** » Sat, 18 May 2002 11:17:25

Clear day = hot. Cloudy day = warm and humid.
Clear night = warm. Cloudy night = hot and humid.

At least that's the way I would think it works, in theory.
Clouds would cause nighttime to be warmer because of the heat being
trapped between the earth and the cloud layer IIRC. Clouds at night
would definitely not cool the track surface the way they do during the
day - during the day the track surface would be cooler because of the
lack of sun, but that's not an issue at night.

Jason

> I have found that true except at Daytona.. cloudy night is slower..

> dw

> > The night races are typically as much as 40 degrees hotter than the day.
> > July vs. Feb. It's the temp that makes the most difference, cloud cover
> is
> > faster than clear as well.

> > Chad

> > > Racing at Daytona can give interesting results.. It appears that adding
> > > cloudy at night actually slows you down where it usually speeds you up..
> > > Now why would the night times be slower...

> > > Don

> > > Daytona Day

> > > Position Name Country Date Lap time
> > > 1 Alex Spain 2002-04-13 00:45.568
> > > 2 Alan C. Daly United Kingdom 2002-04-29 00:45.714
> > > 3 Philippe Lebel France 2002-05-06 00:45.787
> > > 4 Don Wilshe United States 2002-05-14 00:45.834
> > > 5 Dave Ruskey United States 2002-04-30 00:45.839
> > > 6 Rusted Walleye United States 2002-04-23 00:45.846
> > > 7 kyle morse United States 2002-05-09 00:46.095

> > > Daytona Night...
> > > Position Name Country Date Lap time
> > > 1 John Hilsman United States 2002-04-06 00:46.090
> > > 2 Don Wilshe United States 2002-05-06 00:46.141
> > > 3 kyle morse United States 2002-03-25 00:46.144
> > > 4 Lars Klck Germany 2002-05-07 00:46.221
> > > 5 Luca Ceretti Italy 2002-04-26 00:46.413
> > > 6 Rusted Walleye United States 2002-02-24 00:46.419
> > > 7 Philippe Lebel France 2002-05-12 00:46.473
> > > 8 Alan C. Daly United Kingdom 2002-04-05 00:46.526

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 18 May 2002 12:12:32

> > Racing at Daytona can give interesting results.. It appears that adding
> > cloudy at night actually slows you down where it usually speeds you up..
> > Now why would the night times be slower...

> Wow gee not again Don.

Lol, it's called let's nitpick and see just how much we can find wrong.
Yet, the game he is promoting, hell I have done forgot the name of it, they
already have a patch about to be released before the game is LOL.

Don Burnette

by **Don Wilsh** » Sat, 18 May 2002 12:30:53

Boy your Papyrus guys are touchy... I felt it had to be explained, but you
already know that.. its a great game.. Why not make it better..

DW

by **Don Wilsh** » Sat, 18 May 2002 12:34:01

Excuse me Mr. Papyrus for even talking about another game.. some people
dont have there heads buried brown and like to reach out..

dw

I think you agree that N2002 is desparate for another patch or 2.. like
we never got a patch from papyrus.. You would think after
NASCAR 1, 2, 3, 4 and 2002 that we wouldnt have the same
bugs from nascar 1....

dw

by **Pete** » Sat, 18 May 2002 14:13:27

LOL, no one can bring out the Papy-Nazi's faster than Don Wilshe!
DW how dare you raise issue's about a game! Being right doesn't justify
this outrage. It will soon be followed by personal insults directed against
you in order to quiet your misguided motives. Whoops, they have already
started. :-)
Of course this diversion on the Papy-Nazi's part alleviates the
requirement
to answer the question.
I can already hear the giant sucking sound in response. :-)

Pete

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 18 May 2002 19:27:41

I'm just a average Joe simracer, who happens to favor Nascar racing sims. I
mean really, what does it matter if the speed at certain temp/cloud/time of
day conditions might seem off a little? How many people would even notice
something like that? It doesn't change the racing aspect, both online or
offline. The racing is still fantastic, I get the same rush whether I go 5
mph faster or slower because of certain weather conditions.
I only like to reply to your critiques because I only see you critique Papy
sims, guess that's why I come across as a Papy guy to you, and this critique
seemed so trivial to me.
Now fixing the pace car bug at Martinsville, now that is something I would
like to see addressed.

Don Burnette

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 18 May 2002 19:32:42

Oh yes, I definitely agree N2002 needs another patch, no doubt - and I would
like to see one quickly to address the pace car bug at Marty.
I just never would have thought about speeds being off a little between
actual speeds at night or day, to me it has no affect on the quality of my
racing whether online or offline.

Don Burnette

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 18 May 2002 19:41:18

Not from me, I don't personally insult..
I would just like to see larger issues addressed, ones that effect the
actual quality of the racing itself. Like the Marty pace car bug.
I also wish the collision detection was a little more forgiving for online
racing, while N4 and N2002 are about as realistic as you can get I would
imagine in the physics department, it can sure make for some frustrating
online racing. You just can't race as close online as we should be able to,
the slightest twitch and you've sent someone spinning. It's rare you can
make slight contact side by side without someone paying a price, even going
down the straights.

Don Burnette

> LOL, no one can bring out the Papy-Nazi's faster than Don Wilshe!
> DW how dare you raise issue's about a game! Being right doesn't justify
> this outrage. It will soon be followed by personal insults directed
against
> you in order to quiet your misguided motives. Whoops, they have already
> started. :-)
> Of course this diversion on the Papy-Nazi's part alleviates the
> requirement
> to answer the question.
> I can already hear the giant sucking sound in response. :-)

> Pete

> > Lol, it's called let's nitpick and see just how much we can find wrong.
> > Yet, the game he is promoting, hell I have done forgot the name of it,
> they
> > already have a patch about to be released before the game is LOL.

> > Don Burnette

by **Don Wilsh** » Sat, 18 May 2002 23:35:33

Ha

Tell the truth man.. You are and were a Papyrus Beta tester that counters
any comments
about the game.. I love NASCAR 2002 and play it every day.. I just want the
dam bugs
fixed.. Its either because the Beta Testers and Quality Assurance
departments knew or
papyrus wont fund fixing them.. what was it... But dont give me the ***
your an
average joe you are buried to your neck with papyrus..

Don Wilshe

"Don Burnette" ...

by **Don Wilsh** » Sat, 18 May 2002 23:37:47

You and I can agree on that.. I can qualify just fine off line at 100%
tape.. Trying to do that online is
a hit or miss situation.. Its totally happen stance before you BLEW YOUR
ENGINE.. lol

don

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