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Now some of our fellow-racers (NOTHING personel will follow here! Don't
misunderstand me please, this NG seems to be *very*sensible ATM) go about
saying we should thank Papyrus for supplying us with a patch instead of
"whining" (I've been told doing so) about it. We should be grateful, if not
fall on our knees due to this masterful piece of software-jewelery to which
Papyrus was not obliged of releasing in the first place.

What kind of an attitude is that!? This is crazy (I could have said
bull-sh** but I didn't)! I spent 79,- DM for GPL after  having tested the
Demo, read several tests in magazines and read this NG. When it says this
game...sorry Simulation is fitted with 20-player-network-support, I *expect*
exactly that, if I don't get it, I take it back to my dealer and get it
fixed. Period. If Grafix don't work right, same thing, I don't care who's
fault it is, I want it repaired. And if I see a blonde girl sitting in row 4
of the Silverstone-Granstand on the package and it's not there when I
actually race there, I want her implemented! It's as easy as that. This fix
has taken almost a year now, imagine your car standing in the garage for a
year being fixed! Maybe not all of what I say can be transferred from a car
to a software, but it's about the basics!

Another argument of some posters here is the fact that Randy Cassidy did
this patch on his own in his spare time. This is extremely honorable on the
part of Randy and also *my* thanks to him, also to Alison and the other
volunteers, Larry and Jack who made and will make this Simulation experience
a breakthrough, I have absolutely nothing to say against that, but it
doesn't get to the point saying we should stop whining because of that.
Folks, now a line where you can bash me, flame me, whatever you want, maybe
I don't find the right words, anyway, try to read between the lines and
interpret this correctly: On the contrary, Papyrus seemed to make it easy
for themselves by finding someone "stupid enough" to do this thing for free
(dunno the insider-facts, this is simply based upon what I've read in this
NG). Assuming this is true or comes near the truth, it's up to Papyrus to
get some ppl employed to get this thing to work 100%, yes 100%. It's also no
argument saying Papyrus is too busy developing new products, or to say GPL
didn't sell good enough to invest anymore efforts into it, that's just
simply not the way a market should work. It works only when there are enough
ppl complaining, nagging and whining over and over again...................

your turn :)
Markus

Huh?
I have been -driving- GPL for one year, while yours is in the garage.

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I thought there was a line where it proposes to read between the
lines........

go  on :)
Markus

Right on, so far.

Now, you just said it.  Papy was not obligated to issue this.  Read
on...

Don't we all?....

I don't recall Papy including her in the published spec's....

If you let GPL 1.0.0.0 sit unused for a year, just waiting on the
blonde girl patch, you certainly have missed a lot of fun both online
and offline.

that.

I am sure that position will make Randy just fall all over himself
trying to get a patch patch designed and issued.

for free

Did Papy commission Randy to do this for free? I doubt that.  More
likely, if he did it pro bono it was to reach just what you are after -
everything working as advertised.

So sue Papy.  They will fix it if they want to.  Think about how much
better GPL is than the real live ***on the market being sold as
sims.  Go pick on EA, Microsoft, Sony, and the rest of the companies
that don't even try to build a very realistic sim, but just build
plastic toys with great graphics in a pretty cardboard box with a funky
web site.  Papyrus is certainly not everything it could be.  However,
it looks like it is one of the few development companies that really
cares about the sim racer, and tries to build what we ask for.  Whining
and throwing a tantrum will get you nothing but flamed and
disregarded.  If you want to see GPL work the way you say, then stop
bashing the developers and beta testers, and try working with them for
a change.  They certainly aren't going to do any favors just for you
with your attitude.

You want that blonde girl in the stands?  Then communicate with the
designers and the graphics enhancers.  You just might get your wish
that way.

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< or to say GPL didn't sell good enough to invest anymore efforts into
it, that's just simply not the way a market should work. It works only
when there are enough ppl complaining, nagging and whining over and over
again...................>
But this seems to be the way some companies work. Remember EASports and
SBK. I have written some letters to them, that they should try to fix
the major bugs in that game. But till today I haven't got an answer.
Sad, but true. Papy had tried to fix some bugs. Maybe not carefull
enough, but it was a first(?) try.
Cheers
Dirk

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If you had that much complaints with GPL during the past year, you should
have returned the game, period.

I get my car to a garage to get the steering-wheel fixed, they are incapable
of doing so, instead they build in a Radio for free.
Your turn.

I love my wife, but I have so many complaints about her (and vice-versa),
should I return her?

cya :)
Markus

This "auto" analogy doesn't work.

Another bogus analogy, unless you bought your wife through a mail-order
magazine.  If I have a product which is either defective, of the same value
as a piece of software around $50 US (which is the only currency that
counts, right? :), etc, or that I don't find that it does what it says, I
return it. Period.

Now, if you paid $20,000 for a license to run a GPL dedicated server, which
is closer to the figure of the cost of a lot of cars, then yes you should be
able to expect the company to fix the software.  But not a $50 piece of
software whose problems in the original retail were very very small and
minor.  The patch is a "gift" so to speak and adds value to it.  Don't like
it, don't use it.  Like it, but it doesn't work?  Report the problems you
are having to the appriopriate forum and let others know, but don't keep
***ing about it.

But thats because it was such a fundamentally bad idea.. :)  That and I
don't think anyone likes Circuit City anymore. :)

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When I buy something new I expect there to be something wrong with it
until proven otherwise, and usually it turns out to be justified.

Cheers!
John

Cheers!
John