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Why not more VROC servers?

Kevin Caldwel

Why not more VROC servers?

by Kevin Caldwel » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

We have at least 4 drivers in our league that cannot host, or even join
reliably with their cable connections. Having a connection that works for
hosting is not a given, even with cable.

Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada


> My guess, Doug, is the reason you don't host... no digital connection. I
> think there are some that do, but I just have a crappy modem at the
> moment. At this time, I would NOT make a good host for more than 3 other
> people.... which I may do soon. But I can't say it'd be that great.

> Once more get digital connections, I think it will be better.

> -_Dave


> > As good as VROC has been lately, I'm wondering why there are not more
high-
> Dave Schwabe
> The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schwabe

John Moor

Why not more VROC servers?

by John Moor » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Not to mention that GPL wasn't intended for net play so there is no info in
the box. I wonder what percentage of people who bought GPL have any idea this
type of thing happens? I have run into people in the software aisle that have
no idea...
John

> We have at least 4 drivers in our league that cannot host, or even join
> reliably with their cable connections. Having a connection that works for
> hosting is not a given, even with cable.

> Kevin Caldwell
> Calgary, Canada


> > My guess, Doug, is the reason you don't host... no digital connection. I
> > think there are some that do, but I just have a crappy modem at the
> > moment. At this time, I would NOT make a good host for more than 3 other
> > people.... which I may do soon. But I can't say it'd be that great.

> > Once more get digital connections, I think it will be better.

> > -_Dave


> > > As good as VROC has been lately, I'm wondering why there are not more
> high-
> > Dave Schwabe
> > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Wozm

Why not more VROC servers?

by Wozm » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Just my opinion.  
I think it has to do with the fact that so many people are running this sim on
inferior equipment.  I have to go my brothers house to race, and he only gets
19 fps.  He couldnt possibly run on VROC until he and or I upgrade.  I beleive
many many people are in this predicament.  Running the sim at home as best they
can, but unable to race on VROC.  As more and more people get better CPU's I
think you will see more getting involved with VROC...again... just my opinion.
Woz
^Frett

Why not more VROC servers?

by ^Frett » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Just to add John; Don't forget all the hours that was put into Vroc at
no charge!! So we should thank all the work and time by these hard
working developers.. So I say Thanx!! ;0)
Thom j. aka ^Fretts..


> Not to mention that GPL wasn't intended for net play so there is no info in
> the box. I wonder what percentage of people who bought GPL have any idea this
> type of thing happens? I have run into people in the software aisle that have
> no idea...
> John


> > We have at least 4 drivers in our league that cannot host, or even join
> > reliably with their cable connections. Having a connection that works for
> > hosting is not a given, even with cable.

> > Kevin Caldwell
> > Calgary, Canada


> > > My guess, Doug, is the reason you don't host... no digital connection. I
> > > think there are some that do, but I just have a crappy modem at the
> > > moment. At this time, I would NOT make a good host for more than 3 other
> > > people.... which I may do soon. But I can't say it'd be that great.

> > > Once more get digital connections, I think it will be better.

> > > -_Dave


> > > > As good as VROC has been lately, I'm wondering why there are not more
> > high-
> > > Dave Schwabe
> > > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> > > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

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Maps

Why not more VROC servers?

by Maps » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>My guess, Doug, is the reason you don't host... no digital connection. I
>think there are some that do, but I just have a crappy modem at the
>moment. At this time, I would NOT make a good host for more than 3 other
>people.... which I may do soon. But I can't say it'd be that great.

>Once more get digital connections, I think it will be better.

Good point.

Now... here's a little theory I have. If someone out in our Ingenious
Programming Community can come up with a Hack to make GPL cycle
through tracks automagically- that is, with no user present host races
over and over again- we would be on the way to a VROC revolution,
me-thinks! Why's this? Because then all the people at work with those
high-speed T1 connections could... leave their machines hosting GPL
all night!

Question- would someone at work have to have a fast video card and all
that to simply host races? Seems like a very streamlined setup for
just servers could be created such that the serving machine needs very
little outside of primary processor and network connection, I'd think.
SOmeone could theoretically host races from a non-gamer work machine
that they'd actually race on from home just like any other client.

Trip

Why not more VROC servers?

by Trip » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


> Now... here's a little theory I have. If someone out in our Ingenious
> Programming Community can come up with a Hack to make GPL cycle
> through tracks automagically- that is, with no user present host races
> over and over again- we would be on the way to a VROC revolution,
> me-thinks! Why's this? Because then all the people at work with those
> high-speed T1 connections could... leave their machines hosting GPL
> all night!

No need for automatic cycling to accomplish this. I've been hosting GPL races
on my work box (a PII 233 on a T3) for quite some time now. The connects are
great for the most part, with hardly a warp let alone disconnects.

I use Symantec's PC Anywhere software to remotely control the work machine
from my house... I fire up my net connection, grab control of the work box
with PC Anywhere, then start a multiplayer host session. I then quit PC
Anywhere, and fire up GPL on the home machine and join the race on my work
box. It's been working like a charm.

I have some replays of some of the league races I've hosted on this setup...
It looks pretty much as smooth as an offline race.

I started hosting with a crappy Accelstar2 video card in the box. Ran GPL in
Software rendering mode getting around 20fps. Didn't seem to impact the race
quality at all (likely because I don't actually race on the work box, so all
it has to do is sit there and host).

I've recently placed a RivaTNT on the work machine, now runnign the GPL host
in OpenGL: mode at 36fps. Haven't seen any difference in connection quality,
so I'd have to say that based on my experience, a host machine can get away
with less than 36fps if no one is actually trying to use the host box to
race.

When I'm not hosting league races on the box I'll often fire up a server for
VROC. If you've ever seen "T.Server" hosting on VROC, that's my trusty work
box...

Trips

David L. Coo

Why not more VROC servers?

by David L. Coo » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


> I use Symantec's PC Anywhere software to remotely control the work machine
> from my house... I fire up my net connection, grab control of the work box
> with PC Anywhere, then start a multiplayer host session. I then quit PC
> Anywhere, and fire up GPL on the home machine and join the race on my work
> box. It's been working like a charm.

You win the Creativity Award!  That is excellent :)

D.Cook

John

Why not more VROC servers?

by John » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Just wait for the patch. ;-)

John



> >My guess, Doug, is the reason you don't host... no digital connection. I
> >think there are some that do, but I just have a crappy modem at the
> >moment. At this time, I would NOT make a good host for more than 3 other
> >people.... which I may do soon. But I can't say it'd be that great.

> >Once more get digital connections, I think it will be better.

> Good point.

> Now... here's a little theory I have. If someone out in our Ingenious
> Programming Community can come up with a Hack to make GPL cycle
> through tracks automagically- that is, with no user present host races
> over and over again- we would be on the way to a VROC revolution,
> me-thinks! Why's this? Because then all the people at work with those
> high-speed T1 connections could... leave their machines hosting GPL
> all night!

> Question- would someone at work have to have a fast video card and all
> that to simply host races? Seems like a very streamlined setup for
> just servers could be created such that the serving machine needs very
> little outside of primary processor and network connection, I'd think.
> SOmeone could theoretically host races from a non-gamer work machine
> that they'd actually race on from home just like any other client.

Joel Willstei

Why not more VROC servers?

by Joel Willstei » Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Doug,

   1st,I would assume that there are more likely 100,000s of copies of gpl
out there. I understand that it's one of Sierras most popular sims ever.

    As for just how many gpl racers know about VROC,there are many threads
to the site other than r.a.s. If you're a auto racing simmer,then you
certainly visit The Pits at least once per month,and that's where I 1st
found out about VROC.

     But as hard as it may be for us online racers to believe, the majority
of gpl racers prefer to or circumstances require that they race against the
AIs off line. They might only have internet access through AOL,or they might
have to pay long distant phone charges.

Joel Willstein

Eldre

Why not more VROC servers?

by Eldre » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00


writes:

I've done it before - left my work machine(T1 connection) at a track with a
long practice time.  That way, people get to practice, and I can join the race
when I get home.  Two problems - one, I can only host one race this way, as
there's no way to control the 'server' after the race.  Two, this only works if
I have a static IP address at work.  When I set it for DHCP (as our netadmin as
decreed), the host doesn't show up.  Anybody have a fix for that yet?
My work system is a PII 300mhz w/o a 3D card.  I just turned down all the
details(since I'm not racing THERE), and it works fine.  I was worried about
warping, but the people who DID run on my server said it ran fine...

Also, if GPL ran as a window, I could use PCAnywhere or something to capture my
work system from home, and reset the race/track.  Just wishing, I guess.

Eldred

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Eldre

Why not more VROC servers?

by Eldre » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00


writes:

Hmm, I'll have to check my system again.  I couldn't get a remote to work, and
I assumed GPL took over the server system...

Eldred

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Trip

Why not more VROC servers?

by Trip » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00


> I've done it before - left my work machine(T1 connection) at a track with a
> long practice time.  That way, people get to practice, and I can join the race
> when I get home.  Two problems - one, I can only host one race this way, as
> there's no way to control the 'server' after the race.

PC Anywhere. It'll let you start the server from home, and shut it down
after the racing. (As well as export results and race replays)

I have a static IP at work, I don't know if it's possible to host GPL
using DHCP.

You can make GPL run in a window, just add the following to your
core.ini:

[ Rasterizer ]
fullScreen = 0

BUT... why bother? PC Anywhere doesn't require GPL to run in a window.

Trips

Maps

Why not more VROC servers?

by Maps » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I didn't see the original of this post by Trips, but am glad EP
included it:


>writes:

>>No need for automatic cycling to accomplish this. I've been hosting GPL races
>>on my work box (a PII 233 on a T3) for quite some time now. The connects are
>>great for the most part, with hardly a warp let alone disconnects.

Wow. That is fantastic. So there definitely is no need for high-muscle
machine with Voodoo card (or the like). The network connection with a
moderate machine is enought to host.

How many people can you allow to connect without problems?

Great thinking.

Do you have a modem at home, or a cable/ISDN-sort of connection? If
the latter, what is the benefit of hosting from work? (like, does it
free up home machine from some sort of hosting load?)

just trying to sort all this out...


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