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by **Rich** » Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:00:00

all

just watched 'grand prix' for the first time in five years tonight. as
being a gpl newbie (3 months). i only know the monza track really
well.

anyway in the film one or more (i'm not sure due to the split up
coverage of the track) of the corners has a quite large banking going
around a right hand bend. this was not accurately modelled in grand
prix legends? why when the other tracks have banking?

also the track seemed amazingly bumpy, was monza really that bad
or did they use another circuit in the film and dressed it as monza.?

when the cars went round the parabolica, the corner didnt look as
sharp as the corner in gpl either, and the cars looked like they went
really fast round it. did they or is it just gpl with an unaccurate
impression of speed in the game.

anyway your thoughts please

Cheers

by **m.seer** » Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Rich

The GP film bears no resemblance to GPL in reality. It was filmed in 1966
whereas GPL is set in 67.

The banking you refer to is indeed the Monza banking. It was known as a car
killer and man eater and was abandoned way before 1967. GP cars last run on
it in 1961 although a few sportscar races ran on it until about 68 if memory
serves correctly. It was only put into the film for dramatic effect and as
such it can be totally disregarded in the GPL context.

Mark

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Monza was notorious for the irregular surface....it was quite horrendous and
caused more than one driver to suffer car sickness. In the 1.5 litre F1
cars (last raced there in 1961) the suspensions really took a hammering.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Tony Jeste** » Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The banking IS in GPL. You go under it on your way to Ascari. For a
better look, go under it then turn around 180 degrees. The entrance to
it and exit from it are there also, though you can't drive on them very
far.

-Tony-

> just watched 'grand prix' for the first time in five years tonight. as
> being a gpl newbie (3 months). i only know the monza track really
> well.

> anyway in the film one or more (i'm not sure due to the split up
> coverage of the track) of the corners has a quite large banking going
> around a right hand bend. this was not accurately modelled in grand
> prix legends? why when the other tracks have banking?

by **Don Scurlo** » Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yes the Monza banking was bad, but the bumpiest curcuit in 67 was the notorious
Pants Ring. I remember Jim Clark once saying that the Pants Ring was so bumpy
that it "left a ring in your pants".

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

by **Jan Hoviu** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

How exactly was this circuit (the "Banked" Monza) run? I'm a bit confused, did
they use the same part of the track twice in one lap? Is there a site which
has a map of the "banked" track?

Jan.

> The banking IS in GPL. You go under it on your way to Ascari. For a
> better look, go under it then turn around 180 degrees. The entrance to
> it and exit from it are there also, though you can't drive on them very
> far.

> -Tony-

> > just watched 'grand prix' for the first time in five years tonight. as
> > being a gpl newbie (3 months). i only know the monza track really
> > well.

> > anyway in the film one or more (i'm not sure due to the split up
> > coverage of the track) of the corners has a quite large banking going
> > around a right hand bend. this was not accurately modelled in grand
> > prix legends? why when the other tracks have banking?

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Jan, they started on the left-hand side (direction of travel) of the main
straight then, at the completion of the first lap, after exiting the
Parabolica, the cars would be on the right-hand side...the side closest to
the pits. The track then split beyond the pits...where there is now a
barrier in GPL...and this led onto the oval.

When coming out of the oval the cars would be back on the left-hand
side....and so it went, lap after lap.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Jan, they started on the left-hand side (direction of travel) of the main
> straight then, at the completion of the first lap, after exiting the
> Parabolica, the cars would be on the right-hand side...the side closest to
> the pits. The track then split beyond the pits...where there is now a
> barrier in GPL...and this led onto the oval.

> When coming out of the oval the cars would be back on the left-hand
> side....and so it went, lap after lap.

So, started at the left, road course, exit parabolica, right on
straight, oval, left on straight, road course......

In the movie they started with the oval. Was that wrong ?

--
Olav K. Malmin
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Now that's an interesting point, Jan, and I may be totally wrong in my
statement that they started on the left-hand side.
I have dredged through my reference stuff and cannot find a photograph that
shows a starting grid when the full course was in use. Lot's of other
interesting stuff but no description or picture! :-(
(My assumption that they started over on the left-hand side is based on the
starting grid after the oval was dropped from use.)

It is difficult to find any thing concrete on this because, apart from the
last F1 race in 1961, the oval was incorporated into the Italian GP only
three times previously: 1960, 1956 and 1955. (There was an open-wheeler race
held there in 1958 but it wasn't a GP) .

I do know that at one point in the circuit's life there was actually a
raised concrete barrier that separated the left-hand section from the
right-hand...along the pit straight! This was back in the 1930's I believe.

Sorry I can't cast any more light on this for you. Perhaps someone out
there has the answer.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> > Jan, they started on the left-hand side (direction of travel) of the
main
> > straight then, at the completion of the first lap, after exiting the
> > Parabolica, the cars would be on the right-hand side...the side closest
to
> > the pits. The track then split beyond the pits...where there is now a
> > barrier in GPL...and this led onto the oval.

> > When coming out of the oval the cars would be back on the left-hand
> > side....and so it went, lap after lap.

> So, started at the left, road course, exit parabolica, right on
> straight, oval, left on straight, road course......

> In the movie they started with the oval. Was that wrong ?

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
> remove spam when replying

by **Matt Smit** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

According to forix ( www.forix.com ) they started on the left hand side.

Matt

by **Steve Garrot** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Here is a pic of what it looked like at one time, I do not know what
era . . . This was posted right before we all found out that Spirts of
Speed was junk.

http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_monza.jpg

SLG

>> Jan, they started on the left-hand side (direction of travel) of the main
>> straight then, at the completion of the first lap, after exiting the
>> Parabolica, the cars would be on the right-hand side...the side closest to
>> the pits. The track then split beyond the pits...where there is now a
>> barrier in GPL...and this led onto the oval.

>> When coming out of the oval the cars would be back on the left-hand
>> side....and so it went, lap after lap.

>So, started at the left, road course, exit parabolica, right on
>straight, oval, left on straight, road course......

>In the movie they started with the oval. Was that wrong ?

>--
>Olav K. Malmin
>remove spam when replying

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **William Yowel** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

For a map of Monza with the banking, look at:
http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=5507&c=0
Bill Yowell

> all

> just watched 'grand prix' for the first time in five years tonight. as
> being a gpl newbie (3 months). i only know the monza track really
> well.

> anyway in the film one or more (i'm not sure due to the split up
> coverage of the track) of the corners has a quite large banking going
> around a right hand bend. this was not accurately modelled in grand
> prix legends? why when the other tracks have banking?

> also the track seemed amazingly bumpy, was monza really that bad
> or did they use another circuit in the film and dressed it as monza.?

> when the cars went round the parabolica, the corner didnt look as
> sharp as the corner in gpl either, and the cars looked like they went
> really fast round it. did they or is it just gpl with an unaccurate
> impression of speed in the game.

> anyway your thoughts please

> Cheers

by **Graeme Nas** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

AFAIK it was "start on right, oval, Parabolica, road course" ?

--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash

by **johnjnelso** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Bruce, I have a couple of color shots taken at the 1960 Italian Grand Prix I
could send you if you like, that appear to show cars starting on the left side
of the track. They also show the starting grid markings on the left hand side as
well, though that is not proof that the cars actually started there.

John Nelson

> Now that's an interesting point, Jan, and I may be totally wrong in my
> statement that they started on the left-hand side.
> I have dredged through my reference stuff and cannot find a photograph that
> shows a starting grid when the full course was in use. Lot's of other
> interesting stuff but no description or picture! :-(
> (My assumption that they started over on the left-hand side is based on the
> starting grid after the oval was dropped from use.)

> It is difficult to find any thing concrete on this because, apart from the
> last F1 race in 1961, the oval was incorporated into the Italian GP only
> three times previously: 1960, 1956 and 1955. (There was an open-wheeler race
> held there in 1958 but it wasn't a GP) .

> I do know that at one point in the circuit's life there was actually a
> raised concrete barrier that separated the left-hand section from the
> right-hand...along the pit straight! This was back in the 1930's I believe.

> Sorry I can't cast any more light on this for you. Perhaps someone out
> there has the answer.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > > Jan, they started on the left-hand side (direction of travel) of the
> main
> > > straight then, at the completion of the first lap, after exiting the
> > > Parabolica, the cars would be on the right-hand side...the side closest
> to
> > > the pits. The track then split beyond the pits...where there is now a
> > > barrier in GPL...and this led onto the oval.

> > > When coming out of the oval the cars would be back on the left-hand
> > > side....and so it went, lap after lap.

> > So, started at the left, road course, exit parabolica, right on
> > straight, oval, left on straight, road course......

> > In the movie they started with the oval. Was that wrong ?

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove spam when replying

by **Chris Bloo** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It's not completely true to say that the movie Grand Prix bears
no resemblance to GPL. It was set only one year before GPL, the
rules were the same and I'm sure some of the cars were the same
in both season. It is also quite obvious that alot of the
charecters in the movie were based on drivers of that time.

The tracks (apart from Monza banking) were also the same ones.

Chris

>Rich

>The GP film bears no resemblance to GPL in reality. It was
filmed in 1966
>whereas GPL is set in 67.

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