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At last a real rally simulator!

Mauritz Lindqvis

At last a real rally simulator!

by Mauritz Lindqvis » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

UBI Soft is working on a rally simulation game. It looks promising and there
is a interview over here:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/+10+1999/7:57:43.shtml

I like this part in the interview: "I think that one of the things that may
surprise gamers is the handling of the car : the steering commands will not
automatically cause sliding, as it is the case in many games of this type."

And can this really be an ingame screenshot?

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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Steve Ferguso

At last a real rally simulator!

by Steve Ferguso » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

: And can this really be an ingame screenshot?

: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

The tailpipe is too small.  It is therefore obvious to me, based on this
screenshot, that it will be a ***rally simulation.

Stephen
;)

Doug Schneide

At last a real rally simulator!

by Doug Schneide » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

That's an incredible picture.  If it really is a screenshot, I wonder what
level of hardware one would need to produce a decent framerate with that
degree of detail.  Much discussion on my end as to whether it's a genuine
in-game shot or a (possibly touched-up?) static rendering of one frame.  Any
thoughts?

            Zog



> : And can this really be an ingame screenshot?

> : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> The tailpipe is too small.  It is therefore obvious to me, based on this
> screenshot, that it will be a ***rally simulation.

> Stephen
> ;)

Antti Markus Pete

At last a real rally simulator!

by Antti Markus Pete » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Yes, promising as always. But didn't someone here say that he tried Ubi's
rally simulation at ECTS and it basically stunk. Though if it's released
sometime around next spring, a lot of things can still happen.

This caught my eye tho... why do they keep insisting on that candy-
colored sky, just beats me. It's already becoming something of a
trademark in Ubi's motorsport sims. What planet do they live on?

http://www.ga-source.com/cgi-bin/gaimage.cgi?images/rally/Rally5.jpg

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ymenar

At last a real rally simulator!

by ymenar » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00


No game using the POD game engine can be promising from a hard-core simracer
POV  ;-)

type."

LOL.  What they call a feature is actually a bad game engine.  Everybody
knows how the POD game engine feels, it feels nothing, I bet it can't
properly model the natural sliding effect of real-life Rally racing, so they
used that excuse :)

yeah I know it's cheap Ubisoft-bashing, Im sorry :)

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friendly pysc

At last a real rally simulator!

by friendly pysc » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Let me get this straight.  You're basing your opinion of a game on the size
of the car's tailpipe??  You should at least try a demo (not beta or alpha)
before you criticize a game IMO.  Even though the game may suck, I still
think that you should give it a chance.

--
the friendly pysco

I know it's spelled wrong
but I'm not a psycho ;-)



> : And can this really be an ingame screenshot?

> : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> The tailpipe is too small.  It is therefore obvious to me, based on this
> screenshot, that it will be a ***rally simulation.

> Stephen
> ;)

Scott Pittma

At last a real rally simulator!

by Scott Pittma » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

LOL Unless I am mistaken Stephen was being a bit sarcastic.

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> Let me get this straight.  You're basing your opinion of a game on the
size
> of the car's tailpipe??  You should at least try a demo (not beta or
alpha)
> before you criticize a game IMO.  Even though the game may suck, I still
> think that you should give it a chance.

> --
> the friendly pysco

> I know it's spelled wrong
> but I'm not a psycho ;-)




> > : And can this really be an ingame screenshot?

> > : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > The tailpipe is too small.  It is therefore obvious to me, based on this
> > screenshot, that it will be a ***rally simulation.

> > Stephen
> > ;)

Mauritz Lindqvis

At last a real rally simulator!

by Mauritz Lindqvis » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Maybe it's a Ford Fiesta in disguise?

;)

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> : And can this really be an ingame screenshot?

> : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> The tailpipe is too small.  It is therefore obvious to me, based on this
> screenshot, that it will be a ***rally simulation.

> Stephen
> ;)

Ronald Stoeh

At last a real rally simulator!

by Ronald Stoeh » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00

ymenard schrieb:

Geez, every post you write about UbiSoft's "game engine" gets sillier than
the one before...give it a rest, please.

snip

POD was one of the best arcade racers of the time, and F1RS/MGPR2 are still
the best modern day F1 sims. "Feels nothing", what's that all about?

Yeah right, and I'm working in their marketing department... ;^)

l8er
ronny

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ymenar

At last a real rally simulator!

by ymenar » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Why is it silly ? It's true.  What do you know about what I know about
Ubisoft's 2000 line of product ? Wow btw that last sentence was weak, my
bad.  Another time, the POD Game engine can't successfully model an accurate
representation of rally racing to please the hard-core simracing market.
From what I say, it's a fact.

As you said and it's true, it was one of the best arcade racer of the time
(with Screamers2 IMHO), but that doesn't mean it can model and simulate in
an accurate way a Rally car or F1 car.  Gp2 is IMHO superior in almost all
aspects of modern Formula 1 compared to MGPRS2.  Of course it doesn't have
hardware 3d rendering, but that's it's only inferiority compared to
Ubisoft's

Game engine -  GP2 wins easily.
Track accuracy and details - Anybody can win against the poor limitation of
the Ubisoft track modeling and game engine, who can only do up/down
elevation, no banking or camber.
Sounds - Gp2 wins easily
AI - Gp2 wins, just look at the scripted AI in MGPRS2, especially when it
comes to lapping cars and the Blue flag issues.
Feeling - Gp2 wins hand-down.  The feeling is almost impossible to find in
MGPRS2.  In Gp2 you clearly feel behind a wheel of a Formula 1, with it's
pure power and rage.
Graphics - Ok Ubi's title win, but Gp2 does an incredible job with it's
non-3d rendering.
Gameplay - Gp2 has an incredible depth gameplay, you can choose much more
options than in MGPRS2.

And the whole third-party utilities clearly make GP2 the superior modern F1
sim.  You can download thousands of tracks, cars, carsets, utilities,
***pits, etc..  You can't download most of that for Ubisoft's title.  Btw
how come they never fixed sound in the replay in MGPRS2 when it works in
F1RS ? What is it really that hard to do ?

The only fact that we are comparing a 1995 simulation to a 1998 simulation
really shows you the whole point ;-)

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Chuck Kandle

At last a real rally simulator!

by Chuck Kandle » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00

<SNIP>

HEY!  I like the new addition to your signature line, Ronald.  Wish I'd have
thought of it.  ;-))

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Tony R

At last a real rally simulator!

by Tony R » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00



>This caught my eye tho... why do they keep insisting on that candy-
>colored sky, just beats me. It's already becoming something of a
>trademark in Ubi's motorsport sims. What planet do they live on?

>http://www.ga-source.com/cgi-bin/gaimage.cgi?images/rally/Rally5.jpg

And lets hope the clouds aren't moving as fast as the cars, like they
do in F1RS. I live in Melbourne and believe me our clouds do not move
anything like that, I'd get sick if I looked up at the sky :)

Tony

friendly pysc

At last a real rally simulator!

by friendly pysc » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I should hope so.  You never know with some people <g>

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I know it's spelled wrong
but I'm not a psycho ;-)


> LOL Unless I am mistaken Stephen was being a bit sarcastic.

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> Scott Pittman
> FssPro Administrator

> www.fsspro.com

Ronald Stoeh

At last a real rally simulator!

by Ronald Stoeh » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Chuck Kandler schrieb:


> <SNIP>

> > l8er
> > ronny

> > --
> > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

> >           |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
> >    ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
> >         |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
> >        '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

> HEY!  I like the new addition to your signature line, Ronald.  Wish I'd have
> thought of it.  ;-))

> --
> Chuck Kandler  #70
> K&S Racing
> http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195
> The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Hey, I stole it from somebody, now you stole it from me! ;^)
Man, this post contains that line three times, that should be
enough...

l8er
ronny

--
The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

Ronald Stoeh

At last a real rally simulator!

by Ronald Stoeh » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00

ymenard schrieb:


> > ymenard schrieb:
> > > No game using the POD game engine can be promising from a hard-core
> simracer
> > > POV  ;-)

> > Geez, every post you write about UbiSoft's "game engine" gets sillier than
> > the one before...give it a rest, please.

> Why is it silly ? It's true.  What do you know about what I know about
> Ubisoft's 2000 line of product ? Wow btw that last sentence was weak, my
> bad.  Another time, the POD Game engine can't successfully model an accurate
> representation of rally racing to please the hard-core simracing market.
> From what I say, it's a fact.

The earth is round, that's a fact. Your feelings about a sim are that, just
feelings, but..

Sigh! I give up, I really do...

l8er
ronny

--
The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!


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