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by **Catisfi** » Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:32:57

Will somebody please explain to ITV that Burti's horrific accident did NOT
occur at Blanchimont, it actually took place at the kink before it. If we
don't clear this up then the people will call for radical changes at
Blanchimont when it was not even involved.

I personally think Burti was extremely lucky that the nose remained intact,
especially as the angle of collision with the tyres was quite shallow.
Perhaps next year he will blend out of the throttle and wait for the stupid
little Bus Stop chicane before attempting any overtaking. It is daft to risk
an accident like that by trying to go up the inside of another car who is
least expecting any move at that part of the track. Lets hope he makes a
full recovery and the lesson is not as costly as it could have been.

by **redTe** » Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:35:39

I think the race organizers are aware of exactly where the accident
happened. Do you really think they pay any attention to Murray Walker and
Co. ?

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 00:41:39

Irvine is supposed to be F1 driver, not an idiot. And that is
supposed to be F1 race, not a child play. And F1 driver is
supposed to be aware of his surrounding. If he doesn't have big
enough mirrors he ought to buy himself bigger. F1 driver is
suppoused to have enough money.

by **GraDe** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 04:23:00

LOL! You really need to understand that there are MANY MANY MANY other
(usually a lot more intelligent and knowledgeable) commentary crews than the
whole ITV cast. I don't think ANYONE either knows, cares or gives a damn
what Murray Walker or a sad little man like Brundle thinks.

by JM » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 05:45:19

> > Will somebody please explain to ITV that Burti's horrific accident did
NOT
> > occur at Blanchimont, it actually took place at the kink before it. If
we
> > don't clear this up then the people will call for radical changes at
> > Blanchimont when it was not even involved.

> LOL! You really need to understand that there are MANY MANY MANY other
> (usually a lot more intelligent and knowledgeable) commentary crews than
the
> whole ITV cast. I don't think ANYONE either knows, cares or gives a damn
> what Murray Walker or a sad little man like Brundle thinks.

I don't think it's incorrect to say the accident was at Blanchimont, as that
is the nearest named part of the circuit. The area in question is also
definitely part of the photograph of blanchimont on the official Spa
Francorchamps circuit web page. Maybe they need to be told what's what
also.

As to the quality of Walker and Brundles commentary, well Murray gets it
wrong, but in over 50 years of grand prix commentating, he's forgotten more
about F1 than you or I will ever know. Show some respect.
Brundle has rarely been wrong in his technical assessments of given
situations, and is a very informed and informative commentator, in my
experience.

So you think wrong.

cheers
John

by **David Butte** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:42:22

<snip>

In a word: rubbish.

Still, far more important is that Burti somehow seems to have got away
without any really serious injuries. I believe Schumacher (M) said
after the race that he believed Burti would have died a few years ago
in this situation, and I can well believe it.

--
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

by **Sean Higgin** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:46:50

Well he's way better than some F1 former champions, according to Irvine in
RACER magazine. lol

--

Sean Higgins

Redline Racing League
www.rrlnrs.com

Redline BGN Division
http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/RRL/

> Irvine is supposed to be F1 driver, not an idiot. And that is
> supposed to be F1 race, not a child play. And F1 driver is
> supposed to be aware of his surrounding. If he doesn't have big
> enough mirrors he ought to buy himself bigger. F1 driver is
> suppoused to have enough money.

> > Perhaps next year he will blend out of the throttle and wait for the
> stupid
> > little Bus Stop chicane before attempting any overtaking. It is daft to
> risk
> > an accident like that by trying to go up the inside of another car who
is
> > least expecting any move at that part of the track. Lets hope he makes a
> > full recovery and the lesson is not as costly as it could have been.

by **Simon Brow** » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:55:38

Martin Brundle knows his stuff. Since you appear not to already know this,
maybe you don't know yours.

I admit I find Murray occasionally irritating though, because he does make
lots of mistakes, and even poor judgements, and Brundle is forever having to
correct him.

Needless to say, the pit-lane reporters on ITV, James Allen, Louise Goodman
and the new bloke are all terrible.

by **Jone** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:19:31

> Martin Brundle knows his stuff. Since you appear not to already know this,
> maybe you don't know yours.

> I admit I find Murray occasionally irritating though, because he does make
> lots of mistakes, and even poor judgements, and Brundle is forever having to
> correct him.

> Needless to say, the pit-lane reporters on ITV, James Allen, Louise Goodman
> and the new bloke are all terrible.

IMHO, the combination that is Walker/Brundle is a triumph in
complimentary commentary (trying saying that after a few beers!).
Martin Brundle always gently and politely corrects Murray, while Mr
Walker can be forgiven if you take into account his age and his
enormous knowledge of the sport. I think his enthusiasm should be
applauded.

As for the rest; I think James Allen is fine, but Louise Goodman
always seems to interview someone just at a crucial part of the race,
and what's with all those bangles??

by **Catisfi** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:54:40

Nobody expects to be passed there, as the line into Blanchimont is quite
fussy. He was concentrating on his entry, when the accident happened. Even
if his Stavelot exit was poor, he would not expect another driver to try and
make it two wide towards that particular corner. I think he should be
commended for helping in the 'rescue' operation.

by **Catisfi** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:59:57

That Louise Goodman is hopeless. she's only there as the token female. James
Allen has the knowledge but he tends to talk 'down' to the viewer. Martin
Brundle is an excellent commentator. Murray is Murray - the mistakes are
quite funny but nobody can emulate the way his voice alters in pitch from a
low, tragic voice when there is an incident to high-pitched screams at a
pass. I would like to see (hear?) Murray do an IRL race, just for the
screams of e***ment!

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 04:59:01

I must respond to you once again. I have good opinion
about Irvine as a driver. He rarely makes mistakes. But he made
one now. And it was clear from his behaving after accident. It
was race and in race you should expect to be passed ANYWHERE.
Burti made good job, and other drivers should watch more carefuly
when Burti comes behind.
You cannot blame driver for making good job and in the same
time trying to find excuse for other driver mistake.

by JM » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 05:10:32

I'd like to see some of these armchair experts explain how they'd change
their line to allow another car through at 190mph in a flat out non-banked
left hander. Irvine was already committed to his line, he couldn't move
aside.

Or how many of them have cussed the GPL n00b they ran into the back of
because "they didn't expect them to brake so early". etc etc etc.

cheers
John

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:59:47

Well, that one realy is a close call. The trick is in watching your
mirrors. If guy behind is close enough to stick his nose inside, you drive
more conservative. You must drive more conservative at the apex, and
he must be conservative at the exit. Othervise you will push him out at
apex, or he will push you out at exit. That's why defensive driving is
slower than normal. Irvine didn't do his part right.
It isn't the only corner in F1 where guy can stick his nose inside,
but
I admit it's prety difficult.

> > Nobody expects to be passed there, as the line into Blanchimont is quite
> > fussy. He was concentrating on his entry, when the accident happened.
Even
> > if his Stavelot exit was poor, he would not expect another driver to try
> and
> > make it two wide towards that particular corner. I think he should be
> > commended for helping in the 'rescue' operation.

> I'd like to see some of these armchair experts explain how they'd change
> their line to allow another car through at 190mph in a flat out non-banked
> left hander. Irvine was already committed to his line, he couldn't move
> aside.

> Or how many of them have cussed the GPL n00b they ran into the back of
> because "they didn't expect them to brake so early". etc etc etc.

> cheers
> John

by **Simon Brow** » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 07:18:04

Sorry but you're wrong. Trying to overtake on the inside of a 5th gear
corner is madness, Berti should have had the sense to back off. I wouldn't
try to overtake there even in a game. There's no way Irvine could have
expected someone to be there.

By your reasonning you are saying that if the incedent was entirely Burti's
fault, then Irvine wouldn't have helped? That's just crazy.

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