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P.S.: I consider this friendly chat. I respect your opinion as
much as I respect your passion (racing ).:-)
It's shame such a big track gets compressed onto one complex of turns.
Thats like saying all accidents at Le Mans happen on the Mulsaane straight
or Turn One at Indy. Still, as the Winston Cup boys say...
THe stick and ball broadcasters don't understand or even WANT to
understand racing.
dave henrie
"- Hey look! my balls are bigger than your's!
- Oh no they aint - take a look at these!
- Yeah right! You call *that* big? See what happens if I put my gigantic
balls inside yours?!!?
- You dont dare pass my extremely huge and massive-beyond-all-know-measures
balls!
- Like hell I do!! Watch this........ - OH CRAP!"
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"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
Well said. Excuse the unfriendly tone in my previous posts :)
I've been listenning to Brundle for a few years doing the F1 commentary, and
he's always straight forward and honest. He gives all the british drivers
plenty of stick when they make mistakes (even David Coulthard, and Brundle
is his manager).
This debate isn't really going anywhere, since I'm not going to back down on
the main point, namely that I don't believe that's a part of the course
where you can expect to be overtaken, and that Eddie shouldn't need to be
looking in his mirrors there. Roughly 180 mph, flat out turn, doesn't sound
like a great place to overtake to me.
Clearly you don't agree with that, maybe we should just agree to disagree.
hockey, basketball, football(all kinds), tennis, golf, baseball...
Basically the 90% of sports broadcasting that isn't motor racing (minus
athletics). I've seen a few races on TV where some gymkhana or golfing
commentator's been shoved into the seat to talk about motor racing.
It's not a pretty sight ;o)
cheers
John
Over here the stations don't really have their own commentators outside the
major sports (soccer, cycling) either and commenting is done by ***
specialist newspaper and magazine journo's
Jan.
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"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
> >Attempting an overtaking manoeuvre on the inside of such a fast turn was
> >crazy. It should give you a clue who was at fault that Eddie's rear tyre
> >took off Berti's front wing, so Berti was trying a move, yet he wasn't even
> >half along side.
> I think Burti backed out at the last minute. He was farther alongside.
>You wouldn't ever choose the outside line though, since it's slower
(because
>it's a longer route). The fact that there was a collision tells me that
>Eddie didn't know Burti was there. It wasn't a sudden shutting of the
door,
>but a smooth turn in from Eddie, so he was taking his normal line. If
>you're going to shut the door, you do it agressively, so the guy has plenty
>of room to back off.
I would expect that if it were M Schumacher and M Hakkinen in the same
situation, a wheel-to-wheel dice through the corner would have ensued.
Ben
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:15:52 GMT, "Simon Brown"
>You wouldn't ever choose the outside line though, since it's slower (because
>it's a longer route). The fact that there was a collision tells me that
>Eddie didn't know Burti was there. It wasn't a sudden shutting of the door,
>but a smooth turn in from Eddie, so he was taking his normal line. If
>you're going to shut the door, you do it agressively, so the guy has plenty
>of room to back off.
>> Well, not being one to agree that he should have attempted a move
>> there, I don't think you can say there is only one line. The run up to
>> Blanchimont *could* have two cars side by side, if the two drivers
>> knew beforehand. The kinks are flat out sweepers, but the problem is
>> that no driver ever really expects someone to poke their nose in. Mind
>> you, this is all based on GP3, so I can't really say what the drivers
>> would think reasonable.
>> He really should have waited to have a go at the Bus stop or after Eau
>> Rouge. Just too fast a corner and too unexpected (for Irvine) to have
>> a go.
>> Rafe Mc
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:25:03 GMT, "Simon Brown"
>That doesn't change the fact that you need to take the line of least
>resistance, and that means driving right up to the apex. Staying in the
>right hand lane is gonna cost you a tenth since it's further to travel. You
>would never choose to stick to the right, since it's not the natural line,
>*unless* you knew there was someone alongside. Hence Eddie didn't know
>there was someone alongside.
>> I disagree. I'm convinced Eddie didn't have a clue the guy was there. He
>> wouldn't risk ruining his own race by just driving into someone, that
>> doesn't make sense. F1 cars break way too easily for someone to risk that
>> (unless it's for a championship). Again, there is very little if any
>> overtaking in that kind of corner in F1. Have a look at the turn in F1RC,
>> which is pretty accurate with it's GPS. It's more than just a kink.
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:11:00 +0200, "Jan Verschueren"
>Over here the stations don't really have their own commentators outside the
>major sports (soccer, cycling) either and commenting is done by ***
>specialist newspaper and magazine journo's
>Jan.
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>"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
>"JM" wrote...
>> <snip>
>> hockey, basketball, football(all kinds), tennis, golf, baseball...
>> Basically the 90% of sports broadcasting that isn't motor racing
>> (minus athletics). I've seen a few races on TV where some
>> gymkhana or golfing commentator's been shoved into the seat to
>> talk about motor racing.
>> It's not a pretty sight ;o)
>> cheers
>> John
That is just what I wanted to propose before work.
I agree to disagree. :-)
