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I'm afraid I have to agree. I've had it up to here with "Mika, you must
be disappointed to have retired on lap 2 for the 7th consecutive time",
and other such platitudes. I appreciate that "Hey, Mika, isn't your car
a hopeless pile of shite?" might not go down too well, but come *on*.

A bit, yes, although I think he's improved a lot this year. If only
he'd leave the expert summarising to Brundle instead of showing off, he
should make a fine commentator.

I disagree - he's an excellent *expert summariser*, but his voice isn't
suited for lap after lap. Martin is best when he makes his quick, sharp
digs at various hopeless idiots - perhaps that's why he finds it harder
to get people to talk to him on the grid than he used to! Brundle &
Ecclestone is a great double act.

That's true - I've never heard any impressionist get even close. Even
("the great") Rory Bremner's version is mediocre at best. Still, the
real thing is a one-off, and a very fine man.

I don't think it would work - Murray needs to know and care about the
drivers involved, and frankly virtually no-one in Europe has the
slightest interest in IRL.

--
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

There would be screams of e***ment at an IRL race???

Rafe Mc

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As for Eddie not looking in his mirrors, there's no reason to look in your
mirrors when turning in for an >150 mph turn since you would never expect
anyone to overtake you there.  F1 drivers can't spend the whole race looking
in their mirrors.  Go stick an F1 game on (GP3, F1RC or whatever) and try a
move at that turn.  There's virtually no overtaking in super-fast corners in
circuit racing anywhere.  A corner like that has only one line.

Martin Brundle and Mark Blundell (both ex-f1 drivers) who do the
commentary/analysis on F1 on UK tv also both blamed Berti for the incident.

Brundle is definitely the star of the show.  Even if there were no motor
racing, I'd still tune in just to hear him being witty :)

Primo: Burti was further alongside, he managed to back out enough to only be
hit at the front.

Secundo: the section where the accident took place is the run up to a fast
turn and can be taken side by side (IMO), there was no need for Irvine to
close the door other than not having to yield at Blanchimont.

Tertio: if you're slow off the "raccordement" (official name for the
righthander(s) leading to section where the accident took place) and leave a
gap, the guy behind is going to stick his car in it and put you before a
"faite accomplis" come Blanchimont. Seen that done many times, even in open
wheel type events.

Not saying the move wasn't opportunistic and perhaps ill advised given the
speeds involved, but IMO one just doesn't squeeze out an opponent at over
300kph, regardless of how silly his move is. Even if F1's need to apex that
kink (which I think unlikely seeing as Burti obviously thought it could be
taken side by side) he started moving over earlier than nescessary, again:
IMO.

Jan.
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He really should have waited to have a go at the Bus stop or after Eau
Rouge. Just too fast a corner and too unexpected (for Irvine) to have
a go.

Rafe Mc

On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:45:00 GMT, "Simon Brown"

You wouldn't ever choose the outside line though, since it's slower (because
it's a longer route).  The fact that there was a collision tells me that
Eddie didn't know Burti was there.  It wasn't a sudden shutting of the door,
but a smooth turn in from Eddie, so he was taking his normal line.  If
you're going to shut the door, you do it agressively, so the guy has plenty
of room to back off.

That doesn't change the fact that you need to take the line of least
resistance, and that means driving right up to the apex.  Staying in the
right hand lane is gonna cost you a tenth since it's further to travel.  You
would never choose to stick to the right, since it's not the natural line,
*unless* you knew there was someone alongside.  Hence Eddie didn't know
there was someone alongside.

        I cannot see how the fact that he didn't have a clue can be
explained in Irvines favour.

Plus Martin Brundle and Mark Blundell have actually driven that corner in
real F1 cars in real F1 races, so they should know what they are talking
about.  They both blaimed Burti.

This whole debate started because you claimed that Eddie trying to get Burti
out of the car was proof that the whole incident was Eddies fault, which is
clearly wrong.  So you are claiming Eddie would only try and save someone
else life because he felt guilty?  You obviously don't have much respect for
the guy.

  That accident was very similar to an American CART race several years ago.
Michael Andretti was quite a few car lengths ahead of Al Unser Jr. at Road
America.  Comming onto the long  Morraine straight, MA bobbled just a tiny
bit.  Jr had nailed the corner and was comming hell bent for Andretti...the
two met jusssst as the track squeezes to the right.....end of race....The
fastest part of the track, the lead guy NEVER suspected the other driver was
there, the faster car in both cases got chopped.  At least in the old CART
wreck the driver walked away.
  Here's hoping Burti makes a quick recovery.
It's racing folks...you don't get too many chances to pass.
ask David Coulthard.
dave henrie

  Well no...a corner like that can be taken two wide..if the outside driver
is aware of the inside car AND if he lifts off the throttle to make the
wider exit angle.  Otherwise bad things will happen.
dh

"Simon Brown> This whole debate started because you claimed that Eddie
trying to get Burti
    Remember Burti was  a former teammate of Eddie's .  I don't know how
well they got along, but the fact that Irvine's car was also disabled, and
he had a front row seat of Burti's accident, most likely promted him into
action.  If he had suffered only minor damage or a flat tire.. "most" likely
he would have carried on to the pits.
  EI is loud, obnoxious, egotistical, but I haven't seen anything in his
driving or in interviews that would make him out to be  a cruel uncarring
fellow.
dave henrie