rec.autos.simulators

In a recent article, GameCenter says that CART and Papyrus have a new
licensing agreement and there will be a new CART racing sim by Papyrus
in 1999.

Anyone know if there is any truth to this?  Has Sierra made a formal
announcement?  I couldn't find anything on their Web site, but if this
is true, it is *fantastic* news!

An excerpt:

"Papyrus Design Group, a division of Sierra On-Line, recently extended
its licensing agreement with CART (Championship Auto Racing Teams).
Having secured the right to use the CART name and logos through the year
2003, Papyrus will develop a new CART sim (so far unnamed), scheduled
for release in spring 1999."

The full article is at:

  http://www.racesimcentral.net/,3,1404,00.html

Eagle Woman

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Yes,  Sierra/Papyrus have made an official announcement. The full text is
available at http://gamepad.org/

Great, now they can rehash the Nascar 2 engine and still have no curbs on
the game. You people on RAS praise Papyrus for their sims but never seem to
point out their shortcomings. FIrst of all where are the functional curbs,
the rain( for indycar 1 and 2), the other teams pit crews, etc... In my
opinion they seem to re-do the same game over and over with different
(albeit improved) graphics. It's time for an overhaul to their game engine
before I get e***d over a Papyrus sim.

Mike M

P.S. I'm only writing this because of all the relentless crying about GP2's
missing rain. Last I checked Papyrus isn't foolproAn excerpt:

Each game has its pros and cons.  However... on a consistent basis... I
think Papyrus is the best there is.   I dont recall (if im wrong someone
will correct me im sure) any games by papy as bad as CPR in its initial
release.

IMHO... Papyrus is the leader of the pack by far.

Scott

  new engine...Indy 500 The Sim  new engine Indycar Racing
  modified engine  Nascar Racing
  (not sure about N2 hehe)
  REALLY new engine  Grand Prix Legends(N3, ICR3)[except it wont BE Indycar
Racing anymore...thanks Tony George!)  CCCR(Cart Championship Cars Racing?)

think Papyrus is the best there is.   I dont recall (if im wrong someone will
correct me im sure) any games by papy as bad as CPR in its initial release.>>

There aren't any games by Papy that are as ambitious as CPR is, either.  But
what they do, they do well.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Staff Writer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com/

Hmm, not as ambitious as CPR? Maybe they were too ambitious, I had the demo
for a total of 3 days before deleting it, and seriously doubt I would by
the sim. Maybe once their first 500 beta testers of the patch tell them
what is still wrong, they fix it, and send it out for public testing again,
and get it right, I might consider it. If ya ask me, Papyrus has been a
leader in the ambition department with Hawii for N1, and now the Nros for
N2 on Ten.
Just mho
--
Don Burnette
I-65 Racing
Dburn on Ten

I don't think anyone could argue against the fact that when it comes
to multiplayer, Papyrus is the pioneer.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Hi Randy,

I would have to disagree with this statement, as Papy's N1 far exceeds
the ambitions of MS/TRI's CPR.  In its time, N1 was perhaps the most
ambitious racing "sim" project to date on the PC, having many notable
"firsts", and setting many standards by which we gauge the sims today.

Please don't misunderstand me, I think CPR has some fine features, but
some of the more important items (for gameplay) are missing, a perfect
example is the lack of yellow-flags in CPR - a serious oversight on
MS/TRI's part, and one which absolutely kills it in the sim-dept IMHO.

First of all, N1 was the first race-sim that supported multiplayer
exceeding 2-players.  On the Hawaii system, you could have as many as
30 other players on the same course, and it was not uncommon to have
clean connections - where all players experienced little (if any)
warping due to latency.  Of course, the zone and Hawaii are 2 entirely
different systems, using different protocols, but keeping in mind the
available (practical) technology.

The Zone has a big handicap in the multiplayer department, since 1) it
only supports (in a practical sense) 4-players, and 2) the latency of
one seems to have a quantum effect in quality for the other players.
One bad apple spoils the bunch I'm afraid.

N1 was also the first race-sim to have SVGA graphics - and 3D graphics
(albeit the 3D version only came with the Blaster card), as well as a
built-in paintkit - and one that "scales" the graphics, where as CPR
appears to revert back to the original paint as the cars get further
away.

Of course, there's an item that's difficult to measure;  N1 has a
certain "classyness" associated with it, which may be part of the
reason for its longevity.  CPR lacks this important ingredient IMHO,
but perhaps MS/TRI will show us in their next version...Let's hope!  =)

Cheers!

Marc

Hmm, would that be the modern euphemism for "biting off more than you
can chew"? :)

Cheers!
John

% >> Each game has its pros and cons.  However... on a consistent basis... I
% think Papyrus is the best there is.   I dont recall (if im wrong someone will
% correct me im sure) any games by papy as bad as CPR in its initial release.>>

% There aren't any games by Papy that are as ambitious as CPR is, either.  But
% what they do, they do well.

There is something to be said about letting ambition to get in the way
of one's talents and abilities.  At least Papyrus understands their
limits and yet continues to push the envelope enough to exand their
abilities.

There are some pretty "talented" drivers in the racing world.  Some of
them are too ambitious and never learn to drive within their means.
Then there are those that realize their limits and learn to capitalize
on them.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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