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kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

DJRJ

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by DJRJ » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:55:04

Any good deals on a LCD monitor? It's for my office/*** computer. I have
a 21" Sony crt thats blinking out and seems to be getting brighter and
brighter.

--
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
other way.
= Mark Twain =

Aide

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Aide » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:54:02

I have two LCD monitors that tell a tale.

I waited ages due to the rumours that blurring ruined serious ***.

Then purchased a top quality one with very low reaction time for 530 (17")

It was 7 months later that my 2nd pc's monitor went so i thought why not try
the cheapo ones at 280(also 17")

Well we play Lan racing alot and if there is a difference i would love to
know what it is.

Not one friend who comes can distinguish anything either.

So my advice (from experience) is to get the biggest you can 18" or 19" LCD
would be excellent,and then look at the lower end pricewise.

AD

Steve Simpso

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Steve Simpso » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:56:55

A friend of mine bought a 17" LCD with a 16ms response time (supposedly the
best available) and it's basically a blur fest.  Looks OK(ish) on GPL but
games with decent frame rates look vastly inferior to a CRT.  Some people
aren't very sensitive to motion though and it doesn't bother them.  I once
read a medical story about a woman whose brain could only register 1 image
every second or so.  I guess it varies from person to person.  Try before
you buy (if possible) is what it boils down to.
Andre

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Andre » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:27:47



So far we have had one pro and one anti post in this thread, but no
specific brands and models have been stated, so it doesn't help too
much. I am wavering on getting one myself, possibly a Hitachi, but the
issue of dead pixels is holding me back.
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NightSky 42

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by NightSky 42 » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:10:00


Was vertical sync turned on?  You don't actually need more than 60fps in a
game.

Good advice.

Phillip Malphrus, Jr

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:57:34

Samsung 19" LCD 191T is the one I have. Got it off of newegg.com for 619 but
now its 590


Goy Larse

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Goy Larse » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:55:57




> >A friend of mine bought a 17" LCD with a 16ms response time (supposedly the
> >best available) and it's basically a blur fest.  Looks OK(ish) on GPL but

> So far we have had one pro and one anti post in this thread, but no
> specific brands and models have been stated, so it doesn't help too
> much. I am wavering on getting one myself, possibly a Hitachi, but the
> issue of dead pixels is holding me back.

Well, here's another one

Up until quite recently I didn't have personal experience with LCD's in
a *** environment, while I had sold several to customers who used
them for office apps, the opp never presented itself to test one of them
on my *** rig, so I just followed "LCD's are currently not good
enough for fast moving graphics" line that's posted at most web sites
who does hardware reviews

A couple of weeks ago a customer complained about his LCD monitor and I
had to take it back to the shop for testing and took the opp to test it
on my *** rig

This is a really low end 17" monitor from Samtron, probably comparable
to cheap ADi monitors, and guess what, it works just fine running high
FPS apps like games, little if any blurring in most cases, running
3DMark03 the flight scenes look rather good

Full Screen movies doesn't look quite so good for some reason, but I
don't watch movies on my PC anyways :-)

So I guess for me it's just like with sound quality in a speaker set,
all that matters is if *you* like it, don't put too much faith in tests
and other peoples opinions, you're the one paying for it, nobody but you
have to like it, but I strongly advice that you try to see one of them
in use for yourself, bring some kind of demo or test program with you,
I'd bring 3DMark01 since even low end shop computers on display can
achieve decent FPS, and ask if it would be possible to install it on one
of the PC's so you see the image quality for yourself

When the monitors I'm using now starts to fail, Im getting myself an LCD
monitor

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Steve Smit

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Steve Smit » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:54:46

I bought my first LCD with great trepidation recently (the well-reviewed
Dell 1800FP).  It's been great w. GPL, N2003, IL-2, MSFS 2004, Ghost Recon,
and everything else I could throw at it.  I couldn't be more delighted.


Crai

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Crai » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:34:22

I've got a Samsung 172T and it's great.
I would say to get one with a digital input and spend some extra on a
digital cable - it makes a vast difference

Craig



> Samsung 19" LCD 191T is the one I have. Got it off of newegg.com for 619
but
> now its 590



> > Any good deals on a LCD monitor? It's for my office/*** computer. I
> have
> > a 21" Sony crt thats blinking out and seems to be getting brighter and
> > brighter.

> > --
> > A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
> > other way.
> > = Mark Twain =

Steve Simpso

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Steve Simpso » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:58:29

On/off - makes little difference to the blurring.  Even dragging windows
around the desktop leaves major blurs.  They're much better than they were 2
years ago, but they're still not there yet.  Maybe when they get down to
around 10ms or better they'll be undisputedly better than CRTs.

Larr

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Larr » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:42:43

I would like to bring this up, because it's the dirty little secret of the
LCD industry, and no one ever wants to talk about it, even the Tech
Magazines for some reason.

Backlights.

Make DAMNED sure whatever you buy has a solid backlight warranty.

If you own an LCD long enough, it WILL go through a backlight.

And do you think you can just buy a $20 bulb?

No, you can't.

Replacing the 'backlight' on a typical Laptop right now costs nearly
$900.00.  Yes, $900.00 for a $20 (or whatever) bulb.  That is because they
won't SELL you a replacement lamp.  They will only sell you a complete
replacement panel.

I don't know of any manufacturers that do any different.

I've been to more than one meeting with OEM's and when the question of
warranties comes up, and I mention backlights, they say "Oh, the backlight
is covered by the standard 3 year warranty.

When I ask what the cost is AFTER the warranty is up, they always (without
exception) find a way around the question and it never gets answered.  Well,
not there.  It does get answered when one needs to be replaced, and they
tell you a whole panel has to be bought.

And all this nonsense about the panels being sealed is bullshit.  I've taken
lamps out of LCD panels so I know it's bullshit.

Ok, I done now :)

-Larry


Phillip Malphrus, Jr

kind of OT: Looking for a new monitor

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:27:52

yep, forgot to mention that. The 191 T comes with the DVI cable that I
hooked up to the ATI AIW 9700 Pro, really great.


> I've got a Samsung 172T and it's great.
> I would say to get one with a digital input and spend some extra on a
> digital cable - it makes a vast difference

> Craig



> > Samsung 19" LCD 191T is the one I have. Got it off of newegg.com for 619
> but
> > now its 590



> > > Any good deals on a LCD monitor? It's for my office/*** computer. I
> > have
> > > a 21" Sony crt thats blinking out and seems to be getting brighter and
> > > brighter.

> > > --
> > > A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in
no
> > > other way.
> > > = Mark Twain =


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