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Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

Phillip McNelle

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Phillip McNelle » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:34:46

I recently visited an old Flight Sim friend of mine I haven't seen for a
while. I noticed he had the latest version of MS's Flight Sim on his system
but only had a self-printed manual for it. I suggested he must of had a
'shady ' copy of the program to have to print out his own manual. He then
showed me the original disk and pointed out to me that for the last several
versions Microsoft has only provided an on-disk version of the manual that
you have to print out yourself. The same with their Train Sim I understand.

I also recently bought a retail genuine copy of N4 - only to be very
disappointed by find that it didn't have a real manual - only an on-disk
.pdf file one :-(

It seems that we get less and less for our money. And some might say, less
and less reason to bother with buying a genuine version of software.

Interestingly, these providers have been saying for years that if they could
only reduce piracy they would then have the resources to add more value for
to their produces for everyone. But, in the worst traditions of commercial
hypocrisy, it seems that now they are overcoming piracy they have now
realise they can provide the absolute minimum value possible as now their
clients have no alternative. It seems that the pirates were actually
providing the essential, all-be-it unofficial, 'commercial' competition that
keeps suppliers honest.

It seems that software piracy actually provided a real service to end users
after all - even the ones who always bought genuine. Apparently piracy
forced the providers to add value to their original products to make them
more attractive than a pirated version. They did this by the added desirable
things you got in the box with a genuine version - such as a real manual
amongst other things on occasion.

If it takes piracy just to get the providers to give their customers the
rather minimal item of printed manual then may the pirates live long and
prosper. Then I will still buy the original anyway to get a genuine manual.

Furthermore ...

If Papyrus are going to treat their clients like dirt by making them print
their own manuals, then the very least they could do would be to provide a
manual version that actually prints in a half way reasonable fashion on a
standard modern B&W ink jet printer. Instead we get the cheapest possible
solution by just getting a standard manual on a .pdf file ( which can't be
altered in any way to suit your printer ). It has many light grey text
paragraphs which DON'T EVEN ***Y-WELL PRINT SO YOU CAN READ THEM.

Who on Earth is the quality control man at Papyrus ? Didn't he ( or she )
even try printing a copy of the pathetic excuse for an on-disk manual ?
Apparently not. There is NOTHING on-disk worthy about the provided
print-it-yourself manual. No cross references, no hyperlinks, no nothing,
not even enough quality control to make sure that it was even actually
printable.

Do I now have to go and buy a high resolution printer just so I cant print
the manual in a way so that all of it can be read ?

Again I have to say... If it was the influence of software pirates that gave
us real manuals etc in our purchases then more power to them. Papyrus really
suck on this point.

Phillip McNelley

Paul

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Paul » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 02:11:42

Um.... I don't know where you got your retail copy of N4, but mine came with
a nice 129 page manual.  Are you sure your N4 manual wasn't missing from the
box, or hidden under some packing material in the box???

-Paul E
Western States Racing League
www.wsrlracing.com


Eric Busc

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Eric Busc » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 02:31:39

I'm not sure where you got your copy, but AFAIK there are not any
versions of N4 currently released in stores with a PDF manual (though
it's been a while since I originally complied the N4 US and
International installers, I'd like to think that I would have remembered
including one).  Note that there are certain retail outlets who require
the use special packaging such as smaller boxes or even DVD style keep
cases which can prohibit the inclusion of a full paper manual, but this
has not yet been necessary for N4.

- Eric


Jan Verschuere

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 02:56:47

Notch one up on the list of typos that don't trip spell and grammar
checkers.

Jan. ;-)
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  ^^^^^^^^

GWL

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by GWL » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:11:14

I just bought my copy of Nascar 4 and it came with a manual and no .pdf
manual on the disk. Is it only the international version that comes without
a Manual?

GWL


Eldre

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Eldre » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:22:34



>I also recently bought a retail genuine copy of N4 - only to be very
>disappointed by find that it didn't have a real manual - only an on-disk
>.pdf file one :-(

Hmm..  My version has a manual in it(US version).  Maybe all the Euro copies
have  .PDF's?

Eldred
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Jan Verschuere

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 04:03:12

Nope... printed Manual and just the game on the CD here (bought in Brugge,
Belgium).

Jan.
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Jon Anderse

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Jon Anderse » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:59:09

Nope.  My Norwegian copy had a printed manual.

Jon Andersen

Robert Brigg

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Robert Brigg » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:23:26


...its in Chinese but what the heck ... it still qualifies.

[grinz]

Bob

Steve Whitt

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Steve Whitt » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:15:38

Judging by the reply posts, it looks like Australia gets the short end of
the stick.

steve

REDLINE42

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by REDLINE42 » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:28:37

What is the origin of manufacture on the box/cd? if it's from the USA or UK
shipping costs to the land of OZ maybe have something to do with a on CD
manual. Remember paper manuals ad weight. And we all know shipping charges
are by weight.

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE  2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

Terry kan

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Terry kan » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:54:10

Same here Phillip, just the cd & manual in pdf format, I guess most of the
guys from ASRG got the same?
Not really up the the standard we are used to with the other Nascar,
indy,GPL title's from papyrus/sierra
I e-lmailed Papyrus on this matter, still waiting for a reply.
Rds TerryK


Stu_

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Stu_ » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:16:20

I am in New Zealand and brought N4 form Canada. It was pas package in clear
shrink wrap cellophane  with m printed manual.

I notice that the game is now available in NZ  at EB stores in normal
"box"type packaging . I have no idea as to whether the manual is included or
not.

A friend in Australia has just brought the game which came without manual.

It would appear that it's purely a matter of what point of origin the game
has been obtained from. That's not too good  for the paying customer.

Stu C


Darrin Steven

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Darrin Steven » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:03:31

Umm buy the real retail version and you will get a manual.

--

Darrin Stevens
www.Stevens-Racing.com
www.TeamECR.com
www.SimRaceCar.com
www.Thomas-SuperWheel.com


Terry kan

Papyrus' on-disk N4 Manual Sux

by Terry kan » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:16:26

I do have the real version smartarse, how shall I prove it?
CD Key. Photo of the box or CD, before calling us dishonest get the facts
correct. Perhaps Papyrus could be wrong for gods sake.
It's seems most of us in Australia did not get the manual, full stop, any
other ideas D.Stevens?


> Umm buy the real retail version and you will get a manual.

> --

> Darrin Stevens
> www.Stevens-Racing.com
> www.TeamECR.com
> www.SimRaceCar.com
> www.Thomas-SuperWheel.com



> > I recently visited an old Flight Sim friend of mine I haven't seen for a
> > while. I noticed he had the latest version of MS's Flight Sim on his
> system
> > but only had a self-printed manual for it. I suggested he must of had a
> > 'shady ' copy of the program to have to print out his own manual. He
then
> > showed me the original disk and pointed out to me that for the last
> several
> > versions Microsoft has only provided an on-disk version of the manual
that
> > you have to print out yourself. The same with their Train Sim I
> understand.

> > I also recently bought a retail genuine copy of N4 - only to be very
> > disappointed by find that it didn't have a real manual - only an on-disk
> > .pdf file one :-(

> > It seems that we get less and less for our money. And some might say,
less
> > and less reason to bother with buying a genuine version of software.

> > Interestingly, these providers have been saying for years that if they
> could
> > only reduce piracy they would then have the resources to add more value
> for
> > to their produces for everyone. But, in the worst traditions of
commercial
> > hypocrisy, it seems that now they are overcoming piracy they have now
> > realise they can provide the absolute minimum value possible as now
their
> > clients have no alternative. It seems that the pirates were actually
> > providing the essential, all-be-it unofficial, 'commercial' competition
> that
> > keeps suppliers honest.

> > It seems that software piracy actually provided a real service to end
> users
> > after all - even the ones who always bought genuine. Apparently piracy
> > forced the providers to add value to their original products to make
them
> > more attractive than a pirated version. They did this by the added
> desirable
> > things you got in the box with a genuine version - such as a real manual
> > amongst other things on occasion.

> > If it takes piracy just to get the providers to give their customers the
> > rather minimal item of printed manual then may the pirates live long and
> > prosper. Then I will still buy the original anyway to get a genuine
> manual.

> > Furthermore ...

> > If Papyrus are going to treat their clients like dirt by making them
print
> > their own manuals, then the very least they could do would be to provide
a
> > manual version that actually prints in a half way reasonable fashion on
a
> > standard modern B&W ink jet printer. Instead we get the cheapest
possible
> > solution by just getting a standard manual on a .pdf file ( which can't
be
> > altered in any way to suit your printer ). It has many light grey text
> > paragraphs which DON'T EVEN ***Y-WELL PRINT SO YOU CAN READ THEM.

> > Who on Earth is the quality control man at Papyrus ? Didn't he ( or
she )
> > even try printing a copy of the pathetic excuse for an on-disk manual ?
> > Apparently not. There is NOTHING on-disk worthy about the provided
> > print-it-yourself manual. No cross references, no hyperlinks, no
nothing,
> > not even enough quality control to make sure that it was even actually
> > printable.

> > Do I now have to go and buy a high resolution printer just so I cant
print
> > the manual in a way so that all of it can be read ?

> > Again I have to say... If it was the influence of software pirates that
> gave
> > us real manuals etc in our purchases then more power to them. Papyrus
> really
> > suck on this point.

> > Phillip McNelley


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