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N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

Ed Solhei

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:57:28

Dear Papyrus,

Could you *please* do something about the bad behaviour and driving on
Sierra.com / "WON"??
It's worse than a Jerry Springer show at times for Christ sake!

Also, while I'm begging,  any chance you could do somethign to prevent all
these "wreckers" from ruining all the races?

Just something as simple as allowing the server admin to set a  "min. LPI"
(LPI=Laps Pr. Incident) for attending -  just like the min. skills - would
help GREATLY.

I for one think you could have solved this alot better than what we see
now...  The way things are now it will do no-one no good.  People will get
fed-up over your products and perhaps not buy the next title... I can also
see a time in the future were sims will be online-racing only - and IMHO -
this can be a time where all the bad driving and behaviour will back-fire!
On Sierra, Papy, Nascar and "us" - the community...

I challenge you Papy-folks to use a few nights on "WON" - try race around on
the servers that got drivers on them - and see how much you enjoy having
your raced ruined by some lemonhead who thinks wrecking all the others is
the coolest thing since sliced bread!

Pretty please...

ed_

David G Fishe

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by David G Fishe » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:21:44

This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
field racing is a pipe dream. Yes, you can get better quality drivers in
leagues (still not the quality of real life racing), but most of us can't
commit to set times to race.

As for these problems and the impact they have. Online racing is still only
done regularly by a fraction of the people who buy these sims. Shitheads who
spend their time wrecking online races won't ruin titles or developers.

Why can't you guys simply password protect your races? I've had hundreds of
online races, and when I want to keep out the jerks I password protect the
race. Problem solved.

David G Fisher


Olav K. Malm

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Olav K. Malm » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:36:16


Honest question: is there a server matching software in F1RC ? Are
there people there wanting to race anytime ?

And how are you going to get people into the passworded races I host.

The N4 problem is that of 40 usually one guy is enough to ruin it for
everyone. Of course, some immature peolpe shout "wrecker" and worse to
people who do a honest mistake, but thats to live with.

Although I do agree with Ed's LPI limit, the LPI needs to be resetted
because with 40 IC points it is very hard to get over my current
26. :) It might also be a bit hard to get a high lpi in the first
place, but a 200 lap passworded race with five or six friends would
probably solve this.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Ed Solhei

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:43:53

8 player races simply dont cut it for me... to small field. You just end up
with a modern day F1 scenario ; no action, no passing, no racing -  just a
bunch of guys doing "hotlaps".

Sure...  I can a gree that 43 drivers in a race is bound to mean problems...
but 20 drivers in a good race is fully possible....

As for passwords... I for one dont host races and i also think it's hard
8i.e takes to much time) to setup and find drivers for a password protected
race.

Sure.. passwords are good for 5 player games etc. - but like I said... that
not what i'm looking for.

The password-system in N4 would work if there were a "closer" community...
Right now -  it seems that most of the N4 drivers "hang" other places [than
r.a.s]....  I for one dont have the time to seek them out...

ed_


> This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
> field racing is a pipe dream. Yes, you can get better quality drivers in
> leagues (still not the quality of real life racing), but most of us can't
> commit to set times to race.

> As for these problems and the impact they have. Online racing is still
only
> done regularly by a fraction of the people who buy these sims. Shitheads
who
> spend their time wrecking online races won't ruin titles or developers.

> Why can't you guys simply password protect your races? I've had hundreds
of
> online races, and when I want to keep out the jerks I password protect the
> race. Problem solved.

> David G Fisher

Ed Solhei

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:49:24

"Olav K. Malmin"  writes:

I think 26 will do just fine - for starters!

What we want to avoid is the lemonheads, and their LPI's usually in
single-figures... 5.2 etc.

However a reset would be nice tho...  *my* LPI could really use it :-)

ed_

Mike Grand

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Mike Grand » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:45:08

I disagree. I have been racing for over 6 years with fields over 20 cars.
The problem is pick up racing. As long as there is a free service you will
have these problems. You have to either use pw'd races or leagues. There is
also www.raceservers.net and www.onlineracing.com .

Mike Grandy
Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale



This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
field racing is a pipe dream. Yes, you can get better quality drivers in
leagues (still not the quality of real life racing), but most of us can't
commit to set times to race.

As for these problems and the impact they have. Online racing is still only
done regularly by a fraction of the people who buy these sims. Shitheads who
spend their time wrecking online races won't ruin titles or developers.

Why can't you guys simply password protect your races? I've had hundreds of
online races, and when I want to keep out the jerks I password protect the
race. Problem solved.

David G Fisher


Andre Warring

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Andre Warring » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:39:54



8 would be a reasonable number allready.. too bad f1rc starts warping
too heavy with more than 4 players connected :(

Andre

Txl

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Txl » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:50:13

well, I would love to but I never got connected on an online race, I use
F1RST 3.45, game starts, go to multiplayer page, and then nothing
happens....

No it is not the game which is faulty ymenard or thom j, it's just my
config, because it works with other people....ha ha ha

anybody got a clue to where my problem might be ?

thx





> >This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
> >field racing is a pipe dream. Yes, you can get better quality drivers in
> >leagues (still not the quality of real life racing), but most of us can't
> >commit to set times to race.

> 8 would be a reasonable number allready.. too bad f1rc starts warping
> too heavy with more than 4 players connected :(

> Andre

ymenar

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by ymenar » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:14:18


> This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
> field racing is a pipe dream.

LOL!  I can now see the excuse from developpers "We don't have fully
implemented multiplayer because we feel the online drivers aren't good
enough to merit it".  That's the new excuse since the FIA-approval was shown
to be total bollocks.

He's talking about pickup racing, David.  Not league racing.  It's also
quite obvious that full field racing was successfull both on Hawaii and the
NROS.

Us?  LOL you surely did a great informal poll to bring the word "us" here.
Not.  Do you know there's 100+ leagues for N4?

buy these sims.

Same can be said about multiple features in any kind of game.  Only a
fraction of the people who play FPS are the ones who will create mods, or
maps, or add-ons.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Txl

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Txl » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:37:48

Can you name a few where I can join without having to connect through
sierra.com ?
Scott B. Huste

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Scott B. Huste » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:53:38

F1 online racing should be a piece of cake.   20 cars that are never near
eachother and no passing.   Collission detection coding problems are gone
and warping isn't an issue as the cars are rarely in view of one another!
=P

<Flame suit on>

LOL

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ#4395450



> > This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
> > field racing is a pipe dream.

> LOL!  I can now see the excuse from developpers "We don't have fully
> implemented multiplayer because we feel the online drivers aren't good
> enough to merit it".  That's the new excuse since the FIA-approval was
shown
> to be total bollocks.

> He's talking about pickup racing, David.  Not league racing.  It's also
> quite obvious that full field racing was successfull both on Hawaii and
the
> NROS.

> > but most of us can't commit to set times to race.

> Us?  LOL you surely did a great informal poll to bring the word "us" here.
> Not.  Do you know there's 100+ leagues for N4?

> > Online racing is still only done regularly by a fraction of the people
who
> buy these sims.

> Same can be said about multiple features in any kind of game.  Only a
> fraction of the people who play FPS are the ones who will create mods, or
> maps, or add-ons.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Txl

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Txl » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:01:37

unfortunately true....



Olav K. Malm

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by Olav K. Malm » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:14:23




> >Just something as simple as allowing the server admin to set a  "min. LPI"
> >(LPI=Laps Pr. Incident) for attending -  just like the min. skills - would
> >help GREATLY.

> I think that's a great idea - it sure couldn't hurt.

One other thing that would be great is if the incidents could be
removed in some way over time or number of laps or races. I mean,
noone is perfect at the beginning but get better skills later. Initial
practice should be offline of course, but it's not everyone who
already are familiar with the concepts of online racing. So if the
number of laps between each incident is eg 5 times greater than the
number of laps between first incidents those first ones one be
removed. You get the idea.

Yeah, in many pickupraces someone who does a honest mistake gets
called all sorts of things. Even if it could be advoided with less
agressive driving, the driver get awarded with all sorts of words, not
even appropriate for a deliberate wrecker.

Remember that also the victim gets incident points so that would mean
that a unlucky sod would also get ejected. How fair is that ?

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Olav K. Malmin
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David G Fishe

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:45:15



There's F1RST, although support for that is being dropped since Schumi is
releasing a program at any time now called F1Relay which iis going to be
fantastic.

Isn't there a chat program where you can send a private message with the
password to the people you wnat to join?

David G Fisher

David G Fishe

N4: A *PLEA* to PAPYRUS / SIERRA.....

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:46:40

Over 20 for NASCAR racing can work, but not modern F1.

David G Fisher


> I disagree. I have been racing for over 6 years with fields over 20 cars.
> The problem is pick up racing. As long as there is a free service you will
> have these problems. You have to either use pw'd races or leagues. There
is
> also www.raceservers.net and www.onlineracing.com .

> Mike Grandy
> Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
> 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale



> This is why the eight player limit in F1RC is ok. Hear me ymenard? Full
> field racing is a pipe dream. Yes, you can get better quality drivers in
> leagues (still not the quality of real life racing), but most of us can't
> commit to set times to race.

> As for these problems and the impact they have. Online racing is still
only
> done regularly by a fraction of the people who buy these sims. Shitheads
who
> spend their time wrecking online races won't ruin titles or developers.

> Why can't you guys simply password protect your races? I've had hundreds
of
> online races, and when I want to keep out the jerks I password protect the
> race. Problem solved.

> David G Fisher



> > Dear Papyrus,

> > Could you *please* do something about the bad behaviour and driving on
> > Sierra.com / "WON"??
> > It's worse than a Jerry Springer show at times for Christ sake!

> > Also, while I'm begging,  any chance you could do somethign to prevent
all
> > these "wreckers" from ruining all the races?

> > Just something as simple as allowing the server admin to set a  "min.
LPI"
> > (LPI=Laps Pr. Incident) for attending -  just like the min. skills -
would
> > help GREATLY.

> > I for one think you could have solved this alot better than what we see
> > now...  The way things are now it will do no-one no good.  People will
get
> > fed-up over your products and perhaps not buy the next title... I can
also
> > see a time in the future were sims will be online-racing only - and
IMHO -
> > this can be a time where all the bad driving and behaviour will
back-fire!
> > On Sierra, Papy, Nascar and "us" - the community...

> > I challenge you Papy-folks to use a few nights on "WON" - try race
around
> on
> > the servers that got drivers on them - and see how much you enjoy having
> > your raced ruined by some lemonhead who thinks wrecking all the others
is
> > the coolest thing since sliced bread!

> > Pretty please...

> > ed_


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