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GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

Jeffrey Row

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Jeffrey Row » Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:02:15

Does anyone have a fix for the memory problem in Windows Me?

I have a P4 running Windows Me with 640 MB of RAM. I get the "Could not
initialize replay system" error when I try to go to a track. I've talked to
Sierra, and they're aware of the problem:

[Sierra support says to me:
The "Unable to Initialize Replay System" error generally occurs on
systems that
have very large quantities of RAM (256MB or more). Adding the
following to the
CORE.INI file should solve the problem:

[ Replay ]
replayMemoryOverride = 65535
]

But this is wholly unsatisfactory, as the extra RAM is meant for GPL. I have
a dual P3 with 768 MB under Windows 2000, and it works great: GPL can
accumulate
massive replays in memory. On the Me machine, the replayMemoryOverride can
be set to as high as 256000 before it craps out. Every now and then I can
get to a track, but it's a fluke.

--Jeff

Yoshi Minam

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Yoshi Minam » Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:16:17

Removing a RAM board maybe help you.

With 512MB RAM, GPL works fine without fiddleing.
But with 640MB, it doesn't work as you...


Abit KT7A
Micron PC133 CL3 256MB SD-RAM x2

Y.Minami


Tauno Taipaleenmak

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Tauno Taipaleenmak » Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:34:45

: Removing a RAM board maybe help you.
: With 512MB RAM, GPL works fine without fiddleing.
: But with 640MB, it doesn't work as you...

        It's the known problem with Windows 98/Me and >512MB memory.
        The only solution that I know of is to run the "msconfig"
        (it comes with windows 98SE/ME/etc) and "limit windows memory"
        to 512MB. This way you do not have to physically remove the
        memory, but windows will not use it and work properly.

        Another choice is to leave windows 98/ME/SE behind and move
        to w2k.

        Regards,
        TTT

Some Call Me Ti

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Some Call Me Ti » Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:00:32

With that amount of ram you should really be running Win2K and leave doddgy
old Win98 16bit computing behind for good.

Contrary to belief most games and programs run fine in Win2K.

--
Some Call Me Tim

Jeffrey Row

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Jeffrey Row » Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:10:41

As I said in my original post, I have another machine,
a dual P3 running w2k with 768 MB. I'm quite aware
of the differences between 98/Me and NT/2k. And I have,
in fact, resorted to using my development machine for
GPL, but I'd rather use my game computer.

This is not, by the way, a Windows 98/Me issue: it's a bug in
the game. Other games make use of large amounts of memory under 98/Me.
The fact that GPL works fine under a
proper operating system, and doesn't work fine under a
front-end to DOS (Windows 95/98/Me--which it has targeted from the very
beginning) means only that Sierra's testing group is not continuing to test
even though their software continues to be used. It's the software company's
responsibility to make sure its software keeps working as designed.

--Jeff



Kendt Eklu

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Kendt Eklu » Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:41:54

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:10:41 -0400, "Jeffrey Rowe"

[snip]>

For a game that was released how long ago?  For what percentage of
users that actually have over 512mb RAM?
With all the work Papy still has to do on NASCAR 4?

Keep dreaming ;)...

Kendt

Jeffrey Row

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Jeffrey Row » Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:38:10

Am I being naive? How much overlap is there with the Nascar crowd? I
downloaded a Nascar 4 demo, and it's for kids. If Sierra
won't fix up their software, perhaps they ought to release the
source so other developers can. What's the point of holding
on to something that's not generating any revenue?


> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:10:41 -0400, "Jeffrey Rowe"

> [snip]>
> >This is not, by the way, a Windows 98/Me issue: it's a bug in
> >the game. Other games make use of large amounts of memory under 98/Me.
> >The fact that GPL works fine under a
> >proper operating system, and doesn't work fine under a
> >front-end to DOS (Windows 95/98/Me--which it has targeted from the very
> >beginning) means only that Sierra's testing group is not continuing to
test
> >even though their software continues to be used. It's the software
company's
> >responsibility to make sure its software keeps working as designed.

> For a game that was released how long ago?  For what percentage of
> users that actually have over 512mb RAM?
> With all the work Papy still has to do on NASCAR 4?

> Keep dreaming ;)...

> Kendt

Some Call Me Ti

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Some Call Me Ti » Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:00:32

With that amount of ram you should really be running Win2K and leave doddgy
old Win98 16bit computing behind for good.

Contrary to belief most games and programs run fine in Win2K.

--
Some Call Me Tim

Ronald Stoeh

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Ronald Stoeh » Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:05:08


Hmm, the word "most" in your last sentence is actually the reason
why most (there it is again!) gamers stay with Win9x. The price tag
is another reason, I guess.

--
l8er
ronny

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Anonymou

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Anonymou » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:38:41


Seriously?  There are people out there running Win 3.1 without support from
Microsoft.  Wny would Papyrus be any different?  GPL doesn't really need any
additional support from Papyrus.

Jeffrey Row

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Jeffrey Row » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:33:13

GPL was released in late 1998. It is two and a half years old.
Windows 3.1 was released in April 1992--nine years ago. It is
absurd to suggest that running GPL is at all like running a
nearly decade old piece of software.

Aside from the age difference, there's the fact that Microsoft has
continuously updated and upgraded Windows. At the same time, Microsoft has a
history of forgetting about the previous version once the new one has been
released (whether an OS or word processor or compiler). This is mildly
irritating, but not entirely unreasonable and to be expected. Papyrus, on
the other hand, has given no indication that it intends to release another
version of GPL, and has only released a few beta drivers (some functional,
some not) and patches.

What, by the way, is your name? _You_ use 3.1, don't you? No doubt out of
a fear that 95, 98, Me, NT, and 2k have built-in facilities for
broadcasting your identity to the world.

--Jeff




> > ... means only that Sierra's testing group is not continuing to test
> > even though their software continues to be used. It's the software
> company's
> > responsibility to make sure its software keeps working as designed.

> > --Jeff

Anonymou

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Anonymou » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:22:44


I guess I'm just confused as to why Papyrus should devote anymore time to
this game.  As a software developer for the last decade, I've never seen
mention of a shelf life for software.  Sure Windows 3.1 is 9 years old and
GPL is 3 years old.  Neither are supported by their developers.  When you
buy a piece of software the sale is final.  Nowhere is it written that there
will be future updates or even support.  GPL is no longer a supported piece
of software, simple as that.

As to your original question on how to get GPL to work with your machine and
RAM, you were provided with a solution.  Remove or deactivate some of your
RAM.  You're not happy with the solution, but it doesn't mean that Papyrus
has failed you.

Why do you need to know my name?  With or without an identity I expressed a
valid thought.  If you need to know who I am then you could simply parse the
headers that come with the message.  I'm simply trying to eliminate some of
the spam associated with usenet.

Jeffrey Row

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Jeffrey Row » Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:01:06

I think it poor business practice not to support a program when (1) the
company
that created it is still in business, (2) the company hasn't replaced it
with
a successor, and (3) the software is still being sold (and thus producing a
bit
of revenue). But every software company has to balance the interests of the
business,
usually best served by releasing products that will sell the most copies
(Nascar),
against the company's desire (we hope) to have only the very finest software
on the
market. Limited engineering resources make it difficult to achieve a balance
that would
satisfy both potential customers anticipating a new sim and old customers
wishing
for fixes to a 2 and a half year old sim. I understand what's happening to
GPL, and it
frustrates and saddens me. And I'm sure there are developers at Sierra
(what, by the way,
is the distinction between Sierra and Papyrus? Whose game is it?) who are
sorry they
can't fix, much less enhance, GPL.

I don't need to know your name. Sorry for the crack at your anonymity.

--Jeff




> > GPL was released in late 1998. It is two and a half years old.
> > Windows 3.1 was released in April 1992--nine years ago. It is
> > absurd to suggest that running GPL is at all like running a
> > nearly decade old piece of software.

> > Aside from the age difference, there's the fact that Microsoft has
> > continuously updated and upgraded Windows. At the same time, Microsoft
has
> a
> > history of forgetting about the previous version once the new one has
been
> > released (whether an OS or word processor or compiler). This is mildly
> > irritating, but not entirely unreasonable and to be expected. Papyrus,
on
> > the other hand, has given no indication that it intends to release
another
> > version of GPL, and has only released a few beta drivers (some
functional,
> > some not) and patches.

> > What, by the way, is your name? _You_ use 3.1, don't you? No doubt out
of
> > a fear that 95, 98, Me, NT, and 2k have built-in facilities for
> > broadcasting your identity to the world.

> > --Jeff

> I guess I'm just confused as to why Papyrus should devote anymore time to
> this game.  As a software developer for the last decade, I've never seen
> mention of a shelf life for software.  Sure Windows 3.1 is 9 years old and
> GPL is 3 years old.  Neither are supported by their developers.  When you
> buy a piece of software the sale is final.  Nowhere is it written that
there
> will be future updates or even support.  GPL is no longer a supported
piece
> of software, simple as that.

> As to your original question on how to get GPL to work with your machine
and
> RAM, you were provided with a solution.  Remove or deactivate some of your
> RAM.  You're not happy with the solution, but it doesn't mean that Papyrus
> has failed you.

> Why do you need to know my name?  With or without an identity I expressed
a
> valid thought.  If you need to know who I am then you could simply parse
the
> headers that come with the message.  I'm simply trying to eliminate some
of
> the spam associated with usenet.




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> > GPL was released in late 1998. It is two and a half years old.
> > Windows 3.1 was released in April 1992--nine years ago. It is
> > absurd to suggest that running GPL is at all like running a
> > nearly decade old piece of software.

> > Aside from the age difference, there's the fact that Microsoft has
> > continuously updated and upgraded Windows. At the same time, Microsoft
has
> a
> > history of forgetting about the previous version once the new one has
been
> > released (whether an OS or word processor or compiler). This is mildly
> > irritating, but not entirely unreasonable and to be expected. Papyrus,
on
> > the other hand, has given no indication that it intends to release
another
> > version of GPL, and has only released a few beta drivers (some
functional,
> > some not) and patches.

> > What, by the way, is your name? _You_ use 3.1, don't you? No doubt out
of
> > a fear that 95, 98, Me, NT, and 2k have built-in facilities for
> > broadcasting your identity to the world.

> > --Jeff

> I guess I'm just confused as to why Papyrus should devote anymore time to
> this game.  As a software developer for the last decade, I've never seen
> mention of a shelf life for software.  Sure Windows 3.1 is 9 years old and
> GPL is 3 years old.  Neither are supported by their developers.  When you
> buy a piece of software the sale is final.  Nowhere is it written that
there
> will be future updates or even support.  GPL is no longer a supported
piece
> of software, simple as that.

> As to your original question on how to get GPL to work with your machine
and
> RAM, you were provided with a solution.  Remove or deactivate some of your
> RAM.  You're not happy with the solution, but it doesn't mean that Papyrus
> has failed you.

> Why do you need to know my name?  With or without an identity I expressed
a
> valid thought.  If you need to know who I am then you could simply parse
the
> headers that come with the message.  I'm simply trying to eliminate some
of
> the spam associated with usenet.

Anonymou

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Anonymou » Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:44:10


I agree with everything you wrote.  It would be nice to see active
developer/publisher support for GPL but GPL was never much of a money maker.

Sierra == Publisher and Papyrus == Developer.

Ian

GPL memory limitation in Windows 98/Me

by Ian » Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:35:31

GPL worked fine for me straight out of the box, it still works fine nearly 3
years later. The producer has released several patches which fixed some
issues which weren't really supported anyway. You can't really expect a
company to keep producing patches for a piece of software that is (as far as
computers go) several generations out of date.

I require software for work, this is updated every year to work on the
latest hardware and with a few minor updates for new regulations (releated
to my work). This company charges for every single update, they also charge
for technical support.

As I see it, if I buy software in 1998, it should work on hardware which is
available in 1998, maybe 99 and if I'm lucky the next year. To say that the
manufacturer should support it indefinitely and free of charge would make
absolutely no business sense. After all, it's not Papyrus's fault that the
PC and OS manufacturers have produced equipment that is not compatible with
GPL *after* they released it or that an individual's requirements for a PC
means that they can't run it.

--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>



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