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RAS 250 at Bristol Result

Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:02:07




>> I didn't run WG because I can't finish a lap without going off track or
>> spinning.  My best lap in a run of about 10 laps was only a 1:23.  Argh...

>I have a hard time believing you Eldred. I've only raced you a few times
>in GPL, and you're plenty fast there. I'm surprised you have any
>problems with Stock-cars!

It's TRUE, I tell ya'.  That 1:23 was the only CLEAN lap I did in 7-9 laps.  My
next fastest lap was 1:25 or 1:26.  I kept crashing in T1 - could never get the
right brake point... :(
It would probably take me about 100 laps to be comfortable there...
I don't think I'm very fast in GPL- the PRO Spa race this past weekend proved
THAT...ack!

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John Simmon

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Simmon » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:12:13






> >> I didn't run WG because I can't finish a lap without going off track or
> >> spinning.  My best lap in a run of about 10 laps was only a 1:23.  Argh...

> >I have a hard time believing you Eldred. I've only raced you a few times
> >in GPL, and you're plenty fast there. I'm surprised you have any
> >problems with Stock-cars!

> It's TRUE, I tell ya'.  That 1:23 was the only CLEAN lap I did in 7-9 laps.  My
> next fastest lap was 1:25 or 1:26.  I kept crashing in T1 - could never get the
> right brake point... :(
> It would probably take me about 100 laps to be comfortable there...
> I don't think I'm very fast in GPL- the PRO Spa race this past weekend proved
> THAT...ack!

> Eldred

The braking point for NR2k2 at turn 1 is the light on the left side of
the rack (or where the track starts to darken.  Brake smooth but firm
(don't let the tires squeal or smoke), and at the same time downshift
smartly to 2nd.  Just before you start your turn in, downshift to 1st
(if you need to).

That's how I do it.  I rarely***up turn 1 at the glen.

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David G Fishe

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by David G Fishe » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:35:23




> It's TRUE, I tell ya'.  That 1:23 was the only CLEAN lap I did in 7-9
laps.  My
> next fastest lap was 1:25 or 1:26.  I kept crashing in T1 - could never
get the
> right brake point... :(
> It would probably take me about 100 laps to be comfortable there...
> I don't think I'm very fast in GPL- the PRO Spa race this past weekend
proved
> THAT...ack!

Hit the "r" key and it shows the recommended braking and acceleration
points. I didn't even know the layout of the track of WG until late last
week. Got down to a 1:17 just by using that "r" option and watching the AI
speeds through the turns.

I'm curious as to what wheel you use and it's settings?

David G Fisher

Dave Henri

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Dave Henri » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:23:41

  I am not sure, but I think Prodigy is more of just an isp now...at one
time they wanted to BE aol but after msn & aol grabbed up all the non-genius
users...none were left for Prodigy.   (kidding about the Non genius
part.....!)  <really>   {wink} [nudge]
dave henrie


Dave Henri

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Dave Henri » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:27:09

"EldredP" <
   What they said Plus this...you must be on the inside line for turn one.
There is just enough negative camber near the outside of the turn to pull
you off into the quicksand if you are carrying even the ***iest bit of too
much speed.  So make sure you signal and move into the right-hand lane as
you begin your turn.  don't forget to check both ways for oncomming traffic
too...
dave henrie

Dave Henri

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Dave Henri » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:28:15

  Hey thats what we are here for...not life or death races but running as
well as we can, hopefully with those that will appreciate our precence more
than our lack of speed.
dave henrie


> writes:

> >I had thought about getting in on this event, but being as though it was
> >Bristol and I haven't raced hardly anyone from RAS I thought it best to
pass
> >it by. Although I can run Bristol,  I did NOT want to be the cause of an
> >accident my first time racing fellow RAS'ers. So I can understand
completely
> >your frustration Eldred! :o)

> Yeah, I shouldn't have run.  I was fully a SECOND off the qual time of the
next
> car up, and 2 or 3 seconds off the pole time.

> Eldred
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Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:06:24



>The braking point for NR2k2 at turn 1 is the light on the left side of
>the rack (or where the track starts to darken.  Brake smooth but firm
>(don't let the tires squeal or smoke), and at the same time downshift
>smartly to 2nd.  Just before you start your turn in, downshift to 1st
>(if you need to).

>That's how I do it.  I rarely***up turn 1 at the glen.

I was actually braking *before* there, and still kept finding the kitty
litter...  Something about that turn that keeps fooling me for some reason...
I guess I kept thinking that I was ending up too slow, so didn't brake as
hard/as long as I should have.  By the time I realize I'm too fast for the
corner, I'm THERE already... :-(

Eldred
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Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:06:24



>Hit the "r" key and it shows the recommended braking and acceleration
>points. I didn't even know the layout of the track of WG until late last
>week. Got down to a 1:17 just by using that "r" option and watching the AI
>speeds through the turns.

"r" key?  I had the preferred driving line aid running - it shows red in
braking and green in acceleration zones.  That what you mean?

TSW2mod - couldn't tell you the settings in N2K2...  Standard - I haven't
changed anything yet.

Eldred
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David G Fishe

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by David G Fishe » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:33:50



G

> >Hit the "r" key and it shows the recommended braking and acceleration
> >points. I didn't even know the layout of the track of WG until late last
> >week. Got down to a 1:17 just by using that "r" option and watching the
AI
> >speeds through the turns.

> "r" key?  I had the preferred driving line aid running - it shows red in
> braking and green in acceleration zones.  That what you mean?

> >I'm curious as to what wheel you use and it's settings?
> TSW2mod - couldn't tell you the settings in N2K2...  Standard - I haven't
> changed anything yet.

Yes, the "r" key turns that on and off.

I think the default linear/non-linear setting is 50%. With my Ferrari FF
wheel, 50% linear makes the car a mess to drive. Very sloppy. I use 100%
linear and it makes a HUGE difference. Try that setting because right now
you might be making things much more difficult than they need to be.

David G Fisher

Joachim Trens

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:15:07

Most 'fast guys' I've come across proved to be one lap wonders. They can
drive a fast lap, but they haven't got a clue about the mental approach to
racing, or they're spoiled brats who want to pamper their egos rather than
enter a proper competition.

Drivers who are not so focussed on 'being in front' that they forget to
brake, who respect their opponents, who know their limits, who know what a
race strategy is and who can handle their nerves in tricky situations are a
rare commodity, and I'll take one of them over one lap wonders and ego
pamperers any day.

Achim


>   Hey thats what we are here for...not life or death races but running as
> well as we can, hopefully with those that will appreciate our precence
more
> than our lack of speed.
> dave henrie





John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:26:43

  Exactly Joachim and Dave.  Eldred, it's about having fun, slow or not, get
on the track and stay there :)  Won't learn anything by leaving/not entering
a race.
  There's no points, etc. here, so I would hope those that have some tips,
etc. would help those that feel they need it.

-John


> Most 'fast guys' I've come across proved to be one lap wonders. They can
> drive a fast lap, but they haven't got a clue about the mental approach to
> racing, or they're spoiled brats who want to pamper their egos rather than
> enter a proper competition.

> Drivers who are not so focussed on 'being in front' that they forget to
> brake, who respect their opponents, who know their limits, who know what a
> race strategy is and who can handle their nerves in tricky situations are
a
> rare commodity, and I'll take one of them over one lap wonders and ego
> pamperers any day.

> Achim



> >   Hey thats what we are here for...not life or death races but running
as
> > well as we can, hopefully with those that will appreciate our precence
> more
> > than our lack of speed.
> > dave henrie




> > > writes:

> > > >I had thought about getting in on this event, but being as though it
> was
> > > >Bristol and I haven't raced hardly anyone from RAS I thought it best
to
> > pass
> > > >it by. Although I can run Bristol,  I did NOT want to be the cause of
> an
> > > >accident my first time racing fellow RAS'ers. So I can understand
> > completely
> > > >your frustration Eldred! :o)

> > > Yeah, I shouldn't have run.  I was fully a SECOND off the qual time of
> the
> > next
> > > car up, and 2 or 3 seconds off the pole time.

> > > Eldred
> > > --
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> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > > GPLRank - under construction...

> > > Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then
beats
> > you
> > > with experience...
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Haqsa

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Haqsa » Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:16:38



Simmons

> I was actually braking *before* there, and still kept finding the
kitty
> litter...  Something about that turn that keeps fooling me for some
reason...
> I guess I kept thinking that I was ending up too slow, so didn't brake
as
> hard/as long as I should have.  By the time I realize I'm too fast for
the
> corner, I'm THERE already... :-(

I was having the same problem.  Like a lot of low speed corners, being
at the wrong speed isn't the only thing that can mess you up.  You have
got to hit the turn in point pretty precisely and hug the curb tightly
around the apex or you will not have any traction, due to the crown in
the track.  Also, the speed in this corner is low enough where you might
be getting messed up by the low speed steering hack.  It's the same as
in GPL, you need to go into core.ini and turn the steering hack off or
your steering ratio will be increased at low speeds.  Also note what
David said about steering linearity.
Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:28:27



>  Exactly Joachim and Dave.  Eldred, it's about having fun, slow or not, get
>on the track and stay there :)  Won't learn anything by leaving/not entering
>a race.

Well, I *wasn't* having fun...

Eldred
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Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:28:26


writes:

Damn, that's probably what was doing it...  Even though I *should* have been
going slow enough to make the turn, the track was throwing me off?  Grrr...

Eldred
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Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:28:26



>I think the default linear/non-linear setting is 50%. With my Ferrari FF
>wheel, 50% linear makes the car a mess to drive. Very sloppy. I use 100%
>linear and it makes a HUGE difference. Try that setting because right now
>you might be making things much more difficult than they need to be.

Seems as though I tried 100% before, and it was undriveable(all over the
track).  I'll have to check it again.  Thanks.

Eldred
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