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by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:31:43

I know, and I would have stayed for one of the larger ovals, or even
Martinsville for example. But Bristol being so very small, and me having the
tendency to lean well into the corners here on my chair, I just felt that
I'd be walking around with my head tilted left for the next two days ;-)

Nonetheless, I didn't skip the race lightheartedly. I would have wanted to
be there, but just thought this is too long for me.

Achim

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:01:28

At lap 46, me and Mitch bumped and it put me into the wall.My motor gave
up and the crew chief told me they couldn't fix it.

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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:22:45

says...

If we would have had more drivers, I woudla stuck around for the WG
race.

Here's my take on attendance. We would get more drivers if we had a
"cast in stone" start time. Sundays (unless either very early or very
late) are kind of inconvenient for Americans because the real Nascar
race is on in the middle of the day. I personally don't have a problem
with "very early", because I'm up well before the sun is everyday.

In any case, it would be a fairly simple matter for Eldred to setup
DeMONS to handle the chores and then publish a schedule, and that's what
it sounds like we need - a semi-reliable schedule of events so that
people can schedule their lives around it. :)

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by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:32:18

Hi John,

maybe we should indeed create a RAS online racing interest groups or
something like that.

What I've seen yesterday did look quite good - a lot of good and mature
driving from the NG's regulars, and the one or two bad examples, well, we
can tell them what we want and leave it up to them to learn or leave.

I'd be interested. Saturdays would be fine for me, Sundays too.

Achim

> says...
> > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and then
> > silently drop out ;-)

> > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single additional
car
> > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> If we would have had more drivers, I woudla stuck around for the WG
> race.

> Here's my take on attendance. We would get more drivers if we had a
> "cast in stone" start time. Sundays (unless either very early or very
> late) are kind of inconvenient for Americans because the real Nascar
> race is on in the middle of the day. I personally don't have a problem
> with "very early", because I'm up well before the sun is everyday.

> In any case, it would be a fairly simple matter for Eldred to setup
> DeMONS to handle the chores and then publish a schedule, and that's what
> it sounds like we need - a semi-reliable schedule of events so that
> people can schedule their lives around it. :)

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> http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

> DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development)
> http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

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by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:16:04

I can set up a Yahoo group if wanted. MIght make communication easier.

-John

> Hi John,

> maybe we should indeed create a RAS online racing interest groups or
> something like that.

> What I've seen yesterday did look quite good - a lot of good and mature
> driving from the NG's regulars, and the one or two bad examples, well, we
> can tell them what we want and leave it up to them to learn or leave.

> I'd be interested. Saturdays would be fine for me, Sundays too.

> Achim

> > says...
> > > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and then
> > > silently drop out ;-)

> > > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single additional
> car
> > > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> > If we would have had more drivers, I woudla stuck around for the WG
> > race.

> > Here's my take on attendance. We would get more drivers if we had a
> > "cast in stone" start time. Sundays (unless either very early or very
> > late) are kind of inconvenient for Americans because the real Nascar
> > race is on in the middle of the day. I personally don't have a problem
> > with "very early", because I'm up well before the sun is everyday.

> > In any case, it would be a fairly simple matter for Eldred to setup
> > DeMONS to handle the chores and then publish a schedule, and that's what
> > it sounds like we need - a semi-reliable schedule of events so that
> > people can schedule their lives around it. :)

> > --
> > =========================================================
> > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
> > http://www.paddedwall.org/john

> > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
> > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

> > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development)
> > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

> > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
> > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

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by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:17:17

You're being to *** yourself. Doesn't matter how slow, etc. you are,
get in there and have some fun :)

You know how it is; seat time :)

-John

> >Here is the result of the RAS 250 from Bristol:

> >1. J Pancoast
> >2. P Lee -1L
> >3. Mitch A -6L
> >4. DaveGF -17L
> >5. Spark18 -113L
> >6. ZZ Busch -134L
> >7. J Simmons -203L
> >8. Gary Stephenson -213L
> >9. Eldred Pickett -223L

> Well, THAT was f'king ridiculous... I got lapped by lap 15, I was WAY off
the
> pace. Second time the leaders came by, I let them by again by going high.
I
> got up into the wall, and the car slowed drastically on the next straight.
I
> figured I'd damaged the car when I hit the wall. Before I could react, a
car
> coming up behind me hit me at probably 40MPH speed difference. After I
stopped
> spinning, I realized that I'd gotten caught by the wall bug. I don't know
how
> many cars were involved in the wreck, but it pissed me off that it was my
> fault. I ended up quitting in disgust. Sorry again, guys... :(
> I didn't run WG because I can't finish a lap without going off track or
> spinning. My best lap in a run of about 10 laps was only a 1:23. Argh...

> Eldred
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by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:15:29

Please add me too it if you should do so, I hopefully will me making some
races here soon.

Don Burnette

> I can set up a Yahoo group if wanted. MIght make communication easier.

> -John

> > Hi John,

> > maybe we should indeed create a RAS online racing interest groups or
> > something like that.

> > What I've seen yesterday did look quite good - a lot of good and mature
> > driving from the NG's regulars, and the one or two bad examples, well,
we
> > can tell them what we want and leave it up to them to learn or leave.

> > I'd be interested. Saturdays would be fine for me, Sundays too.

> > Achim

> > > says...
> > > > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and
then
> > > > silently drop out ;-)

> > > > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single
additional
> > car
> > > > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> > > If we would have had more drivers, I woudla stuck around for the WG
> > > race.

> > > Here's my take on attendance. We would get more drivers if we had a
> > > "cast in stone" start time. Sundays (unless either very early or very
> > > late) are kind of inconvenient for Americans because the real Nascar
> > > race is on in the middle of the day. I personally don't have a problem
> > > with "very early", because I'm up well before the sun is everyday.

> > > In any case, it would be a fairly simple matter for Eldred to setup
> > > DeMONS to handle the chores and then publish a schedule, and that's
what
> > > it sounds like we need - a semi-reliable schedule of events so that
> > > people can schedule their lives around it. :)

> > > --
> > > =========================================================
> > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
> > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john

> > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
> > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

> > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development)
> > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

> > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
> > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

> > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
> > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
> > > =========================================================

by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:42:55

That would be ok by me. I've personally been using two Yahoo groups for
online leagues for I think three years, and my experience with them is quite
good. If you start that group, don't put the email in that's in my NG
messages - it's a real address, but everything sent there gets deleted
automatically.

Achim

> I can set up a Yahoo group if wanted. MIght make communication easier.

> -John

> > Hi John,

> > maybe we should indeed create a RAS online racing interest groups or
> > something like that.

> > What I've seen yesterday did look quite good - a lot of good and mature
> > driving from the NG's regulars, and the one or two bad examples, well,
we
> > can tell them what we want and leave it up to them to learn or leave.

> > I'd be interested. Saturdays would be fine for me, Sundays too.

> > Achim

by **Mitch Alatorr** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 02:32:35

I can't exactly remember when that happened John but I remember seeing you
in my mirror out of shape as I passed you low but we were clear of each
other when it happened from my view anyway, and I couldnt get much lower on
the track. I didn't feel anything on my side so I assumed it was something
else that caused you problems. I'd seen you mention it a couple times now
so your perspective of what happened must be quite diff than mine. I do
apologize if I got to close so early or had any part in the wreck that ended
your day. I would have yesterday had I known. The last thing I wanted to
do was take anyone out of an already small race. I almost wish it was
reversed cause by the time we got done I was beat. I had no incident points
deducted in the race, shouldn't I if we were involved in something?

regards

Mitch

>> At lap 46, me and Mitch bumped and it put me into the wall.My motor gave
> up and the crew chief told me they couldn't fix it.

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:21:24

>Thanks a lot for hosting, Eldred!

>Achim

You're welcome!

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by **Haqsa** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:35:20

Thanks for admitting that, Dave and Eldred - I thought it was just me
that was slow there. For months I haven't been able to get below 1:22.
Never could in N4 either. I finally managed a couple of 1:19's
yesterday, but I'm not entirely sure what I did differently. Plus that
was with my own setup, I can't handle the fast setup at all.

> Thats not a BUG Eldred but a feature. Don't feel too bad about THe
> glenn...I spent an hour or so this morning with the fast setup and
barely
> got into the 1:21 range. (I think there must be a shortcut we are
missing
> or something like that.)
> dave henrie

> > >Here is the result of the RAS 250 from Bristol:

> > >1. J Pancoast
> > >2. P Lee -1L
> > >3. Mitch A -6L
> > >4. DaveGF -17L
> > >5. Spark18 -113L
> > >6. ZZ Busch -134L
> > >7. J Simmons -203L
> > >8. Gary Stephenson -213L
> > >9. Eldred Pickett -223L

> > Well, THAT was f'king ridiculous... I got lapped by lap 15, I was
WAY off
> the
> > pace. Second time the leaders came by, I let them by again by going
high.
> I
> > got up into the wall, and the car slowed drastically on the next
straight.
> I
> > figured I'd damaged the car when I hit the wall. Before I could
react, a
> car
> > coming up behind me hit me at probably 40MPH speed difference.
After I
> stopped
> > spinning, I realized that I'd gotten caught by the wall bug. I
don't know
> how
> > many cars were involved in the wreck, but it pissed me off that it
was my
> > fault. I ended up quitting in disgust. Sorry again, guys... :(
> > I didn't run WG because I can't finish a lap without going off track
or
> > spinning. My best lap in a run of about 10 laps was only a 1:23.
Argh...

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > GPLRank - under construction...

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then
beats
> you
> > with experience...
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by **Richard** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 04:13:40

I can't exactly remember when that happened John but I remember seeing you
in my mirror out of shape as I passed you low but we were clear of each
other when it happened from my view anyway, and I couldn't get much lower on
the track. I didn't feel anything on my side so I assumed it was something
else that caused you problems. I'd seen you mention it a couple times now
so your perspective of what happened must be quite diff than mine. I do
apologize if I got to close so early or had any part in the wreck that ended
your day. I would have yesterday had I known. The last thing I wanted to
do was take anyone out of an already small race. I almost wish it was
reversed cause by the time we got done I was beat. I had no incident points
deducted in the race, shouldn't I if we were involved in something?

regards

Mitch

I was following John S when it happened. If It was GPL I would say it was a
warp. Personally I think that's what it was. For a fraction of a second you
two were close. I think the "collision detection" took over then.
Surprisingly, when I T-boned JS, I got no damage at all.

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 04:25:30

"Richard "ZZ" Busch" I'd seen you mention it a couple times now

One thing we've found over the years with online racing, two people
involved in the same incident will have replays that show two different
things. i.e. one will show contact and the other no contact. So perhaps
warp brought you two together.
dave henrie

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 06:34:52

> I can't exactly remember when that happened John but I remember seeing you
> in my mirror out of shape as I passed you low but we were clear of each
> other when it happened from my view anyway, and I couldnt get much lower on
> the track. I didn't feel anything on my side so I assumed it was something
> else that caused you problems. I'd seen you mention it a couple times now
> so your perspective of what happened must be quite diff than mine. I do
> apologize if I got to close so early or had any part in the wreck that ended
> your day. I would have yesterday had I known. The last thing I wanted to
> do was take anyone out of an already small race. I almost wish it was
> reversed cause by the time we got done I was beat. I had no incident points
> deducted in the race, shouldn't I if we were involved in something?

> regards

> Mitch

> >> At lap 46, me and Mitch bumped and it put me into the wall.My motor gave
> > up and the crew chief told me they couldn't fix it.

I think it was a warp bump. The sim does that a lot (collision
detection code kicked in a little early).

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by **Gary Stephenso** » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:13:39

> Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and then
> silently drop out ;-)

> It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single additional car
> would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> Achim

I would have stuck around, but somebody rammed me two laps after the
first re-start. (Around lap 32) As I was pretty close to the car in
front of me, I thought that was pretty boneheaded of the car who rammed
me. Since it was still so early in the race to be hard charging like
that, I left the race after that incident.

These races are still a blast for me, so I intend to show up again. I
think I'll change my name to Biffle and go huntin' for a certain
someone, just like the real racers do ;-) <--please notice the grin

See ya' in a couple of weeks. I won't be there this coming weekend, so
please, please, please....don't run Pocono or Phoenix!!! If you do, I
won't ever show up at anymore races and you'll lose a backmarker, so
there ;-)

Gary

> ...
> > I said I wasn't tired because I thought you had run the Bristol race too
> and
> > I didn't want to seem wimpy. :-)

> > You were flying around that track. 1:15's and 16's. I picked up some
> > pointers from you though.

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