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RAS 250 at Bristol Result

John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:18:33

  Gary, it was me who hit you...........after you, a lapped car, had been
cutting me off lap after lap, while I was trying to race the two leaders in
front of you; I was in third IIRC.

  No one to blame but yourself; you were out of control several times
exiting the turn, including the time we hit.

-John



> > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and then
> > silently drop out ;-)

> > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single additional
car
> > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> > Achim

> I would have stuck around, but somebody rammed me two laps after the
> first re-start. (Around lap 32) As I was pretty close to the car in
> front of me, I thought that was pretty boneheaded of the car who rammed
> me. Since it was still so early in the race to be hard charging like
> that, I left the race after that incident.

> These races are still a blast for me, so I intend to show up again. I
> think I'll change my name to Biffle and go huntin' for a certain
> someone, just like the real racers do ;-) <--please notice the grin

> See ya' in a couple of weeks. I won't be there this coming weekend, so
> please, please, please....don't run Pocono or Phoenix!!! If you do, I
> won't ever show up at anymore races and you'll lose a backmarker, so
> there ;-)

> Gary



> > ...
> > > I said I wasn't tired because I thought you had run the Bristol race
too
> > and
> > > I didn't want to seem wimpy. :-)

> > > You were flying around that track. 1:15's and 16's. I picked up some
> > > pointers from you though.

John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:20:18

  P.s.  I was showing you as a lap down via the f2 key and my spotter on
that restart; how come you lined up with the lead lap cars in front of me on
the restart, or is there a bug going on(which definately is possible).

-John



> > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and then
> > silently drop out ;-)

> > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single additional
car
> > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> > Achim

> I would have stuck around, but somebody rammed me two laps after the
> first re-start. (Around lap 32) As I was pretty close to the car in
> front of me, I thought that was pretty boneheaded of the car who rammed
> me. Since it was still so early in the race to be hard charging like
> that, I left the race after that incident.

> These races are still a blast for me, so I intend to show up again. I
> think I'll change my name to Biffle and go huntin' for a certain
> someone, just like the real racers do ;-) <--please notice the grin

> See ya' in a couple of weeks. I won't be there this coming weekend, so
> please, please, please....don't run Pocono or Phoenix!!! If you do, I
> won't ever show up at anymore races and you'll lose a backmarker, so
> there ;-)

> Gary



> > ...
> > > I said I wasn't tired because I thought you had run the Bristol race
too
> > and
> > > I didn't want to seem wimpy. :-)

> > > You were flying around that track. 1:15's and 16's. I picked up some
> > > pointers from you though.

Gary Stephenso

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Gary Stephenso » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:34:18


>   Gary, it was me who hit you...........after you, a lapped car, had been
> cutting me off lap after lap, while I was trying to race the two leaders in
> front of you; I was in third IIRC.

>   No one to blame but yourself; you were out of control several times
> exiting the turn, including the time we hit.

> -John

I know full well it was you #29, hence the Biffle reference. Where do
you get this lap after lap stuff? 2 laps after a restart hardly
qualifies as "lap after lap". FWIW, I saw no blue flag and the spotter
never said anything to indicate the car behind was trying to lap me.
I realize how important track position is at Bristol, so I can
understand you're wanting to stay with the leaders. I think we need a
replay, because I think I was on the lead lap at the time. I had the F1
screen up at the time, so I'm not sure.

As for your "out of control" comment, here is my explaination: I do not
have the greatest of internet connections, this I know. I have raced on
Eldred's servers before without any problems; however, there is always a
first time. On other servers, I will get good pings but my online
connection will still suck, and the other cars will jump around on the
track in front of me. In other words...I'm warping. It's beyond my
control. I think my qualifying time demonstrated I know my way around
that track, so please don't tell me that was my fault. Let's blame it
on  Prodigy, OK?  

I am still pretty new to Nascar type racing, so I'm still learning the
fine details of yellow flag re-starts and such. If I committed a
horrible sin upon said first restart, please accept my apologies. I
still don't think I did anything wrong, and I think the accident was
entirely your fault for pushing too *** a restart. You happened to
luck out and still win the race anyways, but keep in mind I COULD HAVE
stayed on the track and taken you out for good. I consider myself a
"gentleman racer" whatever that means nowadays. I didn't retaliate. Next
time you may not be so lucky.

Whatever,

Gary




> > > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and then
> > > silently drop out ;-)

> > > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single additional
> car
> > > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> > > Achim

> > I would have stuck around, but somebody rammed me two laps after the
> > first re-start. (Around lap 32) As I was pretty close to the car in
> > front of me, I thought that was pretty boneheaded of the car who rammed
> > me. Since it was still so early in the race to be hard charging like
> > that, I left the race after that incident.

> > These races are still a blast for me, so I intend to show up again. I
> > think I'll change my name to Biffle and go huntin' for a certain
> > someone, just like the real racers do ;-) <--please notice the grin

> > See ya' in a couple of weeks. I won't be there this coming weekend, so
> > please, please, please....don't run Pocono or Phoenix!!! If you do, I
> > won't ever show up at anymore races and you'll lose a backmarker, so
> > there ;-)

> > Gary



> > > ...
> > > > I said I wasn't tired because I thought you had run the Bristol race
> too
> > > and
> > > > I didn't want to seem wimpy. :-)

> > > > You were flying around that track. 1:15's and 16's. I picked up some
> > > > pointers from you though.

Greg Biffl

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Greg Biffl » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:49:25


>   P.s.  I was showing you as a lap down via the f2 key and my spotter on
> that restart; how come you lined up with the lead lap cars in front of me on
> the restart, or is there a bug going on(which definately is possible).

> -John

I lined-up behind the car my spotter told me to get behind FYI. Besides,
after the first lap, if I had done the restart wrong, I'm sure I would
have got called into the pits for a stop and go, don't you think? See
you at the next race...please don't change your name or number ;-)

Mr. Biffle

Greg Biffl

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Greg Biffl » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:08:23


> I didn't run WG because I can't finish a lap without going off track or
> spinning.  My best lap in a run of about 10 laps was only a 1:23.  Argh...

I have a hard time believing you Eldred. I've only raced you a few times
in GPL, and you're plenty fast there. I'm surprised you have any
problems with Stock-cars! FWIW, I watched the "DW lesson" for WG and it
helped me a little bit. I still have problems with the first and last
turns, but I can still run low 1:17's no problem. FWIW I was running
1:16's in N4, so NR2K2 is a bit harder. My advice: You can go way hard
on the brakes, but don't mash the throttle! I hope that helps. (Remember
GPLEGS also, it applies to stock cars too!) I hope that helps!

Gary

Isotrip

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Isotrip » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:31:48


> Well, THAT was f'king ridiculous...  I got lapped by lap 15, I was WAY off
the
> pace.  Second time the leaders came by, I let them by again by going high.
I
> got up into the wall, and the car slowed drastically on the next straight.
I
> figured I'd damaged the car when I hit the wall.  Before I could react, a
car
> coming up behind me hit me at probably 40MPH speed difference.  After I
stopped
> spinning, I realized that I'd gotten caught by the wall bug.  I don't know
how
> many cars were involved in the wreck, but it pissed me off that it was my
> fault.  I ended up quitting in disgust.  Sorry again, guys... :(
> I didn't run WG because I can't finish a lap without going off track or
> spinning.  My best lap in a run of about 10 laps was only a 1:23.  Argh...

> Eldred

I had thought about getting in on this event, but being as though it was
Bristol and I haven't raced hardly anyone from RAS I thought it best to pass
it by. Although I can run Bristol,  I did NOT want to be the cause of an
accident my first time racing fellow RAS'ers. So I can understand completely
your frustration Eldred! :o)

I do plan to run some events with the RAS group though. (There, fore-warned
is fore-armed :oP )

- Isotrip?

John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:05:41

  Gary, fwiw, you need to learn the sim better.   A blue flag is never
waived in N2002.  Your spotter will never say the car behind you is trying
to lap you.  You should also have your F2 key on at all times, showing car
postions/lead lap or not.  You could have been on the lead lap; it didn't
show that on my F2 screen, but I have seen that been wrong before, and
Bristol has some bugs.

  Also, do you have your spotter on full, and if so, what did he say before
the restart?  Only reason I'm asking is as I said, according to my info.,
you were a lapped car, that should have been starting on the inside row,
ahead of Dave, not with the lead lap cars.
  Also fwiw, to save you possible trouble in the future, on the restart you
dove low to the left of the cars ahead of you, I assume to try to pass them.
If you had passed them before the line, you would have received a black flag
for passing on the left before the line; and "passing" only requires your
car's nose to be ahead of them, the pass doesn't need to be complete.

   Re the control, good point, bet it is your conn.  Just showed you almost
losing it out of the corners, which caused you to slow up as I was
accelerating.

  Also, you're posting like I hit you on purpose.  That is absolutely, flat
out, not true.  We hit because of what I say directly above this line; your
car was swerving as I was exiting the turn.  I had barely missed you before.
Thinking you were just trying to get your lap back, I had accepted that, but
once a lapped car loses contact with the leader, as you had, it needs to
back off.
 And fwiw, I'd highly advise against retaliation against anyone.

  I'm sorry we hit, but it wasn't on purpose, as you believe.  I've never
had problems admitting when I***up.

  Since you're new to Nascar sims, hopefully some of the above will help;
it's only meant as hints, not a lecture.

-John


> I know full well it was you #29, hence the Biffle reference. Where do
> you get this lap after lap stuff? 2 laps after a restart hardly
> qualifies as "lap after lap". FWIW, I saw no blue flag and the spotter
> never said anything to indicate the car behind was trying to lap me.
> I realize how important track position is at Bristol, so I can
> understand you're wanting to stay with the leaders. I think we need a
> replay, because I think I was on the lead lap at the time. I had the F1
> screen up at the time, so I'm not sure.

> As for your "out of control" comment, here is my explaination: I do not
> have the greatest of internet connections, this I know. I have raced on
> Eldred's servers before without any problems; however, there is always a
> first time. On other servers, I will get good pings but my online
> connection will still suck, and the other cars will jump around on the
> track in front of me. In other words...I'm warping. It's beyond my
> control. I think my qualifying time demonstrated I know my way around
> that track, so please don't tell me that was my fault. Let's blame it
> on  Prodigy, OK?

> I am still pretty new to Nascar type racing, so I'm still learning the
> fine details of yellow flag re-starts and such. If I committed a
> horrible sin upon said first restart, please accept my apologies. I
> still don't think I did anything wrong, and I think the accident was
> entirely your fault for pushing too *** a restart. You happened to
> luck out and still win the race anyways, but keep in mind I COULD HAVE
> stayed on the track and taken you out for good. I consider myself a
> "gentleman racer" whatever that means nowadays. I didn't retaliate. Next
> time you may not be so lucky.

> Whatever,

> Gary




> > > > Yes, this was really sneaky of me to do the Bristol practice and
then
> > > > silently drop out ;-)

> > > > It's a pity John Simmons left before the race, every single
additional
> > car
> > > > would have been more than welcome with such an already small field.

> > > > Achim

> > > I would have stuck around, but somebody rammed me two laps after the
> > > first re-start. (Around lap 32) As I was pretty close to the car in
> > > front of me, I thought that was pretty boneheaded of the car who
rammed
> > > me. Since it was still so early in the race to be hard charging like
> > > that, I left the race after that incident.

> > > These races are still a blast for me, so I intend to show up again. I
> > > think I'll change my name to Biffle and go huntin' for a certain
> > > someone, just like the real racers do ;-) <--please notice the grin

> > > See ya' in a couple of weeks. I won't be there this coming weekend, so
> > > please, please, please....don't run Pocono or Phoenix!!! If you do, I
> > > won't ever show up at anymore races and you'll lose a backmarker, so
> > > there ;-)

> > > Gary



> > > > ...
> > > > > I said I wasn't tired because I thought you had run the Bristol
race
> > too
> > > > and
> > > > > I didn't want to seem wimpy. :-)

> > > > > You were flying around that track. 1:15's and 16's. I picked up
some
> > > > > pointers from you though.

John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:07:41

  No, you wouldn't have been called to the pits; you were still ahead of the
cars you needed to be.  You only get called when you're not.

  -John

p.s. my name will be the same, my # will be #6 next race :)



> >   P.s.  I was showing you as a lap down via the f2 key and my spotter on
> > that restart; how come you lined up with the lead lap cars in front of
me on
> > the restart, or is there a bug going on(which definately is possible).

> > -John

> I lined-up behind the car my spotter told me to get behind FYI. Besides,
> after the first lap, if I had done the restart wrong, I'm sure I would
> have got called into the pits for a stop and go, don't you think? See
> you at the next race...please don't change your name or number ;-)

> Mr. Biffle

Haqsa

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Haqsa » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:23:55

Just curious, if he had not been on the lead lap, wouldn't the restart
have been waved off until he got into the right position?  It appears to
me like the server thought that he was indeed on the lead lap.


John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 04:51:42

  Nope, restarts aren't waived for this.   Only reason this whole thread got
my goat, is the accusation of a bonehead move, and the statements of
planned/considered retaliation.  Completely out of line.
  For all I know, Gary cut down again and caused the contact, or maybe even
warp as he stated may have been occuring, since he'd been fishtailing out of
corner exits before and during this incident.

-John


> Just curious, if he had not been on the lead lap, wouldn't the restart
> have been waved off until he got into the right position?  It appears to
> me like the server thought that he was indeed on the lead lap.



> >   Also, do you have your spotter on full, and if so, what did he say
> before
> > the restart?  Only reason I'm asking is as I said, according to my
> info.,
> > you were a lapped car, that should have been starting on the inside
> row,
> > ahead of Dave, not with the lead lap cars.

David G Fishe

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by David G Fishe » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:29:49

I think it was Dave H. who warned Bristol would ended putting some
r.a.s.'ers noses out of joint. You guys need to kiss and make up. :-)

David G Fisher


>   No, you wouldn't have been called to the pits; you were still ahead of
the
> cars you needed to be.  You only get called when you're not.

>   -John

> p.s. my name will be the same, my # will be #6 next race :)




> > >   P.s.  I was showing you as a lap down via the f2 key and my spotter
on
> > > that restart; how come you lined up with the lead lap cars in front of
> me on
> > > the restart, or is there a bug going on(which definately is possible).

> > > -John

> > I lined-up behind the car my spotter told me to get behind FYI. Besides,
> > after the first lap, if I had done the restart wrong, I'm sure I would
> > have got called into the pits for a stop and go, don't you think? See
> > you at the next race...please don't change your name or number ;-)

> > Mr. Biffle

John Pancoas

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by John Pancoas » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:43:59

  Agreed David.

-John



> I think it was Dave H. who warned Bristol would ended putting some
> r.a.s.'ers noses out of joint. You guys need to kiss and make up. :-)

> David G Fisher



> >   No, you wouldn't have been called to the pits; you were still ahead of
> the
> > cars you needed to be.  You only get called when you're not.

> >   -John

> > p.s. my name will be the same, my # will be #6 next race :)




> > > >   P.s.  I was showing you as a lap down via the f2 key and my
spotter
> on
> > > > that restart; how come you lined up with the lead lap cars in front
of
> > me on
> > > > the restart, or is there a bug going on(which definately is
possible).

> > > > -John

> > > I lined-up behind the car my spotter told me to get behind FYI.
Besides,
> > > after the first lap, if I had done the restart wrong, I'm sure I would
> > > have got called into the pits for a stop and go, don't you think? See
> > > you at the next race...please don't change your name or number ;-)

> > > Mr. Biffle

Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:02:08


writes:

Pocono will NOT be on the schedule this weekend - I can't run it either...<g>
I'm thinking Dover and Chicagoland...  Or maybe Rockingham - I don't like those
tracks... :-)

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:02:07


writes:

You race using PRODIGY?!?  If that's anything like AOL, there's a whole LOT of
added "stuff" that impedes your connection.  Please consider finding a
different ISP for multiplayer racing...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Eldre

RAS 250 at Bristol Result

by Eldre » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:02:07


writes:

Yeah, I shouldn't have run.  I was fully a SECOND off the qual time of the next
car up, and 2 or 3 seconds off the pole time.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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