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Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

Bruce Kennewel

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:10:28

Really, you blokes have to stop this output of wonderful add-ons for GPL;
Sierra want to put the thing to sleep and you just keep it going!

Seriously..........another wonderful piece of artistry from the circuit
specialists and definitely (in my humble opinion) the "scariest" track to
drive fast.  Can you even *begin* to imagine what is must have been like in
a pre-war Auto Union or Mercedes?  Pounding through the "green tunnel"?
Shudder!!!

A beautiful job.  Take a bow, chaps; you certainly deserve it.

Oh...before I go....just a minor thing that someone might be able to address
further down the track (pun definitely intended!): the behaviour of the AI
at the start seems a bit wonky.  It's as if they're all on Valium until just
after the first corner then they all get a charge of adrenaline and off they
go! :-)

Now....back to Switzerland..................................

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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MichaelJ

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by MichaelJ » Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:45:22


Just to add my thanks to the Bremgarten team, been waiting for this one
for a while, and it was well worth the wait:-)

Absolutely! It's no wonder they couldn't race on it after 1955.

All we need now is someone to make an Auto-Union or Mercedes car model.
I don't know if it's possible or not given current GPL editing
technology.

With new sounds and a low-grip setting you wouldn't need to change much
else to have what "Spirit of Speed 1937" should have been.

- Michael

Stephen Smit

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Stephen Smit » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:30:15

Bruce,

The AIs are...well, *bizarre* doesn't begin to cover it.  I 'staged' (but
didn't participate in, so I could observe) an AI race, and can confirm yer
observation: they get off to a crawling start, then seem to pick up the
pace.  Then it gets *really* wierd.  In a 7-lap race, every car made one or
more pit stops...but then RAN OUT OF GAS!  Well, almost everybody.
Scarfiotti won (!!!), and Parkes (!!!) was second.  Both finished at about

2:23--second.)  Every other car else stopped on the track and then winked
out; simply vanished.  I've never seen AIs make pit stops (I guess no one
told them you can't make pit stops in GPL!) in a race; I can only imagine
they thought they were in a P&Q session.

Lovely track!  I'm sure it will be a nightmare online.  I can't wait to d/l
Greger Huttu's Hot Lap, tho.

--Steve Smith


Bruce Kennewel

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:42:53

Mike, the reason that they couldn't race on after '55 wasn't because of the
danger of *that* particular track, but due to the Swiss government's
approach towards racing following the Le Mans disaster.

Racing against a clock on a point-to-point track (hill climbing) was still
okay but actually racing head-to-head on a circuit was illegal.

I have to agree (and have pleaded before now) that a package including the
cars from the other eras, the early 'tween war years, the 1950's and the
early 1960's, would be brilliant.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


Bruce Kennewel

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:51:31

Well, sad to say that, as much as I like the circuit, unless the AI can be
improved I'll just have to use it for sight-seeing, as it isn't really great
for off-line racing as it stands.

I confirm *your* observations too, Stephen, about the AI behaviour during a
race.  Only five out of the seven*** practised; Bandini took off like a
scalded cat and was never seen again whilst the others all milled around
behind me until they also disappeared from F2 replays.  At the end of a
15-lap race it was Bandini first by about 3 light years and me second.
Nobody else finished!

Oh well.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


Arto Wik

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Arto Wik » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:06:47


>I confirm *your* observations too, Stephen, about the AI behaviour during a
>race.  Only five out of the seven*** practised; Bandini took off like a
>scalded cat and was never seen again whilst the others all milled around
>behind me until they also disappeared from F2 replays.  At the end of a
>15-lap race it was Bandini first by about 3 light years and me second.
>Nobody else finished!

Great track! And many thanks for that!

But strange things seem to happen... :-)
I drove an AI race, full field. I qualified 13th, I won only those
poor drivers who did not want to drive in qualifying... ;)

In the race I was driving around 8th - I do not know, what happened to
those behind me... (I have the rpy, I'll check later). In the beginning
of the last lap ALL the drivers in front of decided to go to the pits!
They came back to the track after quite short stop.
And I won the race! :-)  But there was no newspaper... :-(

Anyhow, new experiences with GPL... ;-)

Arto

markgam

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by markgam » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:33:23

This may be totally wrong, but could the AI cars being low on car be related
to the fact that the default setup for the player has only four gallons in
the tank? The default usually shows a full tank.


> Bruce,

> The AIs are...well, *bizarre* doesn't begin to cover it.  I 'staged' (but
> didn't participate in, so I could observe) an AI race, and can confirm yer
> observation: they get off to a crawling start, then seem to pick up the
> pace.  Then it gets *really* wierd.  In a 7-lap race, every car made one
or
> more pit stops...but then RAN OUT OF GAS!  Well, almost everybody.
> Scarfiotti won (!!!), and Parkes (!!!) was second.  Both finished at about

> 2:23--second.)  Every other car else stopped on the track and then winked
> out; simply vanished.  I've never seen AIs make pit stops (I guess no one
> told them you can't make pit stops in GPL!) in a race; I can only imagine
> they thought they were in a P&Q session.

> Lovely track!  I'm sure it will be a nightmare online.  I can't wait to
d/l
> Greger Huttu's Hot Lap, tho.

> --Steve Smith

markgam

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by markgam » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:35:24


If you want to *somewhat* simulate the pre-war cars, use the Engine Manager
and put an F1 engine in an F2 or F3 chassis. I did this and the car is
unbelievably sensitive to power.

MichaelJ

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by MichaelJ » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:34:23


says...

Now that's an interesting idea:-) I suppose you get wheelspin
everywhere?

- Michael

MichaelJ

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by MichaelJ » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:36:55


True - after all they were still racing on the Spa circuit! Probably
wouldn't have lasted much past the early 70's though.

Wasn't much of the circuit surfaced with cobble-stones? I'm not sure if
that's represented in the GPL track.

- Michael

> Racing against a clock on a point-to-point track (hill climbing) was still
> okay but actually racing head-to-head on a circuit was illegal.

> I have to agree (and have pleaded before now) that a package including the
> cars from the other eras, the early 'tween war years, the 1950's and the
> early 1960's, would be brilliant.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > Absolutely! It's no wonder they couldn't race on it after 1955.

> > All we need now is someone to make an Auto-Union or Mercedes car model.
> > I don't know if it's possible or not given current GPL editing
> > technology.

> > With new sounds and a low-grip setting you wouldn't need to change much
> > else to have what "Spirit of Speed 1937" should have been.

Ville V Sinkk

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Ville V Sinkk » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:02:10


> Wasn't much of the circuit surfaced with cobble-stones? I'm not sure if
> that's represented in the GPL track.

The cobbled section is there, before the starting line. I can't notice
any physical difference between cobbles and asphalt, but then again I
don't have an FF controller. Can you FF people notice anything different
when driving on the cobbles?

+Cinquo

Ed Solhei

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Ed Solhei » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:33:18

Gents,

To be fair to the Bremgarten development team, to AI's at their track is
non-exsisting - for one reason;  *I* couldn't find the time to make it -
before they wanted to release the track.

So if you experience weird behaviour etc. -  you now know why.

Ed_
The GPLEA


> Bruce,

> The AIs are...well, *bizarre* doesn't begin to cover it.  I 'staged' (but
> didn't participate in, so I could observe) an AI race, and can confirm yer
> observation: they get off to a crawling start, then seem to pick up the
> pace.  Then it gets *really* wierd.  In a 7-lap race, every car made one
or
> more pit stops...but then RAN OUT OF GAS!  Well, almost everybody.
> Scarfiotti won (!!!), and Parkes (!!!) was second.  Both finished at about

> 2:23--second.)  Every other car else stopped on the track and then winked
> out; simply vanished.  I've never seen AIs make pit stops (I guess no one
> told them you can't make pit stops in GPL!) in a race; I can only imagine
> they thought they were in a P&Q session.

> Lovely track!  I'm sure it will be a nightmare online.  I can't wait to
d/l
> Greger Huttu's Hot Lap, tho.

> --Steve Smith

Regular Race

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Regular Race » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:57:27

Ed it doesn't matter to me.  I love the track...AI or not!

-Cheers

Andre Warrin

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:00:54




>> Wasn't much of the circuit surfaced with cobble-stones? I'm not sure if
>> that's represented in the GPL track.

>The cobbled section is there, before the starting line. I can't notice
>any physical difference between cobbles and asphalt, but then again I
>don't have an FF controller. Can you FF people notice anything different
>when driving on the cobbles?

No, it's just there for the show, but it looks great :)

Andre

Bruce Kennewel

Bremgarten: Another GPL masterpiece.

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:49:17

Yeah...just before the start...at the last corner and onwards towards the
start area.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------



> Wasn't much of the circuit surfaced with cobble-stones? I'm not sure if
> that's represented in the GPL track.

> - Michael


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