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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:13:01

In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my Guillemot
Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I would
go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
different (inferior?) to mine.

When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed to be
at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to be too
close together. What is the general feeling from those who have tried
various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

Thanks

Iain

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:25:51

I thought the new Ferrari wheel was supposed to be better. I don't think
it's gear driven anymore.

David G Fisher

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:59:38

Dave
Are we talking about the Thrustmaster Ferrari FF Wheel here? I'm really
confused because mine was a Guillemot. There seems to be 2 versions of the
Thrustmaster, FF Wheel and a GT FF wheel. What is the difference? The GT is
cheaper.
Iain

> I thought the new Ferrari wheel was supposed to be better. I don't think
> it's gear driven anymore.

> David G Fisher

> > In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my
Guillemot
> > Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

> > I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I
would
> > go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
> > different (inferior?) to mine.

> > When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed to
be
> > at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to be
too
> > close together. What is the general feeling from those who have tried
> > various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

> > Thanks

> > Iain

by **Bra** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:13:19

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:13:01 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie"

>In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my Guillemot
>Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

>I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I would
>go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
>different (inferior?) to mine.

>When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed to be
>at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to be too
>close together. What is the general feeling from those who have tried
>various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

>Thanks

>Iain

I can tell you I have been studying, sending emails, reading reading
reading about wheels for about three months. Top rated in the class
from $150 and down is the Momo by Logitech and the Act labs. I ended
up buying the Momo, I believe overall more people gave it the nod than
the Act Labs. Act Labs has some pretty good upgrade pedals but they
wont let you buy them in place of the stock pedals so with them you
need to buy two sets of pedals to get the better ones.

There are other good wheels out there certainly my conclusion is not
from experience but from research. If you go to Google and do a search
of this newsgroups for Momo you will find a lot of thumbs up.

Brad

by **Krunc** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:00:09

I bought the original version Ferrari FF wheel well over a year ago and it
is cable driven, NOT gear driven. Its a fantastic wheel. 3 months ago I
helped a friend buy one and the new one IS gear driven. Unless there is a
new (3rd)model which is cable driven again, then its a fair bet that you can
only get a gear driven Ferrari FF wheel now.

Mind you my friend's new wheel is still excellent and almost as good as
mine - just makes a hell of a racket when you turn it, and its more 'notchy'
to use. Strange thing is, when its switched off and you turn the wheel, the
red power light comes on until you stop rotating. Interesting electrical
circuit design eh?

BTW have you tried to fix the pedal connection? Maybe Guillemot can supply a
replacement jack which you could re-wire in place. Just a thought.

NF.

> I thought the new Ferrari wheel was supposed to be better. I don't think
> it's gear driven anymore.

> David G Fisher

> > In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my
Guillemot
> > Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

> > I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I
would
> > go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
> > different (inferior?) to mine.

> > When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed to
be
> > at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to be
too
> > close together. What is the general feeling from those who have tried
> > various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

> > Thanks

> > Iain

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:57:51

hmmm... but does it have F1 style paddles on the wheel for gear shifting?
Also, it doesn't have POV hats for looking left and right intuitively and
for moving easily through in-race menus. The Ferrari has all that.
Also the pedals look as if they don't have much travel. Has the angle got
better since I looked at Logitech a couple of years ago?
Iain

> On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:13:01 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my Guillemot
> >Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

> >I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I
would
> >go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
> >different (inferior?) to mine.

> >When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed to
be
> >at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to be too
> >close together. What is the general feeling from those who have tried
> >various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

> >Thanks

> >Iain

> I can tell you I have been studying, sending emails, reading reading
> reading about wheels for about three months. Top rated in the class
> from $150 and down is the Momo by Logitech and the Act labs. I ended
> up buying the Momo, I believe overall more people gave it the nod than
> the Act Labs. Act Labs has some pretty good upgrade pedals but they
> wont let you buy them in place of the stock pedals so with them you
> need to buy two sets of pedals to get the better ones.

> There are other good wheels out there certainly my conclusion is not
> from experience but from research. If you go to Google and do a search
> of this newsgroups for Momo you will find a lot of thumbs up.

> Brad

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:02:47

I knew I there was a good comparison of the two wheels posted here at r.a.s.
not too long ago, and I just found it using google.com.

http://www.slottweak.com/tmferrari.htm

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:01:24

Your're right. I had it backwards. Here's a comparison of the two wheels.

http://www.slottweak.com/tmferrari.htm

David G Fisher

> I bought the original version Ferrari FF wheel well over a year ago and it
> is cable driven, NOT gear driven. Its a fantastic wheel. 3 months ago I
> helped a friend buy one and the new one IS gear driven. Unless there is a
> new (3rd)model which is cable driven again, then its a fair bet that you
can
> only get a gear driven Ferrari FF wheel now.

> Mind you my friend's new wheel is still excellent and almost as good as
> mine - just makes a hell of a racket when you turn it, and its more
'notchy'
> to use. Strange thing is, when its switched off and you turn the wheel,
the
> red power light comes on until you stop rotating. Interesting electrical
> circuit design eh?

> BTW have you tried to fix the pedal connection? Maybe Guillemot can supply
a
> replacement jack which you could re-wire in place. Just a thought.

> NF.

> > I thought the new Ferrari wheel was supposed to be better. I don't think
> > it's gear driven anymore.

> > David G Fisher

> > > In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my
> Guillemot
> > > Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

> > > I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I
> would
> > > go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
> > > different (inferior?) to mine.

> > > When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed
to
> be
> > > at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to be
> too
> > > close together. What is the general feeling from those who have tried
> > > various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

> > > Thanks

> > > Iain

by **Gerry Aitke** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:47:28

> hmmm... but does it have F1 style paddles on the wheel for gear shifting?

Yes.

No, but it has six buttons, you can set the upper left button to look
left and the upper right to look right, is that intuitive enough for ya?
;) What do you mean by 'in-race menus'? Do you mean the Nascar4/2002 F1
through 9 keys? I us voice recognition for that, MS SideWinder Voice
works really well. You can get a shareware version of it here:

http://www.gamevoice.com/Download/gamevoiceshare.asp

No, there isn't much travel, but their ok IMO. The angle is still the
same but the pedals now pivot. You could always make wedge out of wood
to get the angle to your liking.

Gerry

by **Krunc** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:52:19

Now that is strange. I just checked out Slot's comparison and neither
version is what my friend bought. We are located in Australia BTW.

My friend's wheel is definately gear driven - it makes the loud noise and
lights up the LED when turning the wheel when off - but the pedals are
exactly the same as mine (ie original version), it is USB only, and to top
it all off he DOES have the throttle & brake paddles behind the wheel too!
It's a half breed!!

In my opinion the Force effects in his wheel are MUCH lower strength, and I
haven't noticed any more subtle effects, but perhaps some tweaking of the
settings is what's needed.

NF.

> Your're right. I had it backwards. Here's a comparison of the two wheels.

> http://www.slottweak.com/tmferrari.htm

> David G Fisher

> > I bought the original version Ferrari FF wheel well over a year ago and
it
> > is cable driven, NOT gear driven. Its a fantastic wheel. 3 months ago I
> > helped a friend buy one and the new one IS gear driven. Unless there is
a
> > new (3rd)model which is cable driven again, then its a fair bet that you
> can
> > only get a gear driven Ferrari FF wheel now.

> > Mind you my friend's new wheel is still excellent and almost as good as
> > mine - just makes a hell of a racket when you turn it, and its more
> 'notchy'
> > to use. Strange thing is, when its switched off and you turn the wheel,
> the
> > red power light comes on until you stop rotating. Interesting electrical
> > circuit design eh?

> > BTW have you tried to fix the pedal connection? Maybe Guillemot can
supply
> a
> > replacement jack which you could re-wire in place. Just a thought.

> > NF.

> > > I thought the new Ferrari wheel was supposed to be better. I don't
think
> > > it's gear driven anymore.

> > > David G Fisher

> > > > In my recent house move, I've broken the pedal connection on my
> > Guillemot
> > > > Ferrari FF wheel rendering the whole thing useless.

> > > > I've been highly impressed by this wheel over the last 3 years and I
> > would
> > > > go out and buy another except that I believe the current version is
> > > > different (inferior?) to mine.

> > > > When I looked at others 3 years ago, the Logitech foot pedals seemed
> to
> > be
> > > > at the wrong angle for comfort, and the MS wheel paddles seemed to
be
> > too
> > > > close together. What is the general feeling from those who have
tried
> > > > various others about the merits of the ff wheels out there?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Iain

by **MadDAW** » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:26:45

Actualy I like the angle of the Logtech pedals better than most. My reason
for this is I sit in a regular desk chair so with this elevated seating
position the more vertical motion of the Logitech pedals is much more
comfortable than the more traditional pivot setup. I use to get very swore
ankles with my old Thurstmater setup after long races. Now if they just had
a longer travel *sigh*

MadDAWG

by **Bra** » Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:00:51

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:57:51 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie"

>hmmm... but does it have F1 style paddles on the wheel for gear shifting?
>Also, it doesn't have POV hats for looking left and right intuitively and
>for moving easily through in-race menus. The Ferrari has all that.
>Also the pedals look as if they don't have much travel. Has the angle got
>better since I looked at Logitech a couple of years ago?
>Iain

Sure dont know that one.....I think I qualified myself as being
unqualified in answering the question :-) probably should have kept
my yap shut......why on earth would anyone want to look left or
right?? If I wanna go left or right I just go.....watch out for me on
the circuit in a couple weeks......if you want I will post where I am
racing so you can avoid it.

Brad

by **Bra** » Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:34:11

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:47:28 +0000, Gerry Aitken

>No, there isn't much travel, but their ok IMO. The angle is still the
>same but the pedals now pivot. You could always make wedge out of wood
>to get the angle to your liking.

>Gerry

Gerry if I post my email address would you trade a couple of emails
with me about "Voice" I picked one up at Radio Shack on a closeout for
$20 not sure about how it works and such. Check your local store
usually they close out at all of their stores.

Brad

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:22:15

Thanks Gerry.

Using a POV hat next to your thumb is a lot easier than fumbling for buttons
I think. The Ferrari has 2 making it easy to set up one for looking left and
right (and behind) during the race, and the other for moving through the
multiple***pit menus in F1 2001 while racing.

Iain

by **Gerry Aitke** » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:19:19

> On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:47:28 +0000, Gerry Aitken

> >No, there isn't much travel, but their ok IMO. The angle is still the
> >same but the pedals now pivot. You could always make wedge out of wood
> >to get the angle to your liking.

> >Gerry

> Gerry if I post my email address would you trade a couple of emails
> with me about "Voice" I picked one up at Radio Shack on a closeout for
> $20 not sure about how it works and such.

Sure, feel free.

I'll look forward to hearing from you.

Gerry

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