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F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

Leon

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Leon » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Is it just me or is F1 2000 REALLY SLOW?

I'm running it on a Pentium II 450 with 128mb RAM and a Voodoo 2
card and whilst free practice runs without any problems, as soon
as you get other cars on the track, the FPS drops to an
unacceptably crappy level. The only way I can speed it up is to
turn down the number of visible cars to about 5 which is
completely shite.

800x600 works fine in practice mode, and i've tried 640x480 in
race mode to try and speed things up, but it's no good.

I don't think it's playable at its current FPS.

This is the first game of my PC which has caused it any kind of
slowdown, everything else is great. Is the graphics engine just
a load of rubbish?

Any ideas?

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beastdj

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by beastdj » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00

leon,

I'v got the same experience as you have. Now I only practise with a couple
of cars. In the race I have to switch off any detail to get a playable
game..... hmm I think I will play my old gp2 of gpl again.

How do you know your fps?

Dennis


>Is it just me or is F1 2000 REALLY SLOW?

>I'm running it on a Pentium II 450 with 128mb RAM and a Voodoo 2
>card and whilst free practice runs without any problems, as soon
>as you get other cars on the track, the FPS drops to an
>unacceptably crappy level. The only way I can speed it up is to
>turn down the number of visible cars to about 5 which is
>completely shite.

>800x600 works fine in practice mode, and i've tried 640x480 in
>race mode to try and speed things up, but it's no good.

>I don't think it's playable at its current FPS.

>This is the first game of my PC which has caused it any kind of
>slowdown, everything else is great. Is the graphics engine just
>a load of rubbish?

>Any ideas?

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Greg Cisk

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Greg Cisk » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00


It can get bad during the start of a race as you have seen. Especially
if you have the smoke & dust turned on (even to just low). If you
haven't gone to www.fraps.com and gotten fraps, you should. You
will then be able to see the framerate and be able to directly tell
what is helping your framerate or hurting it.

Agreed. I get 21 fps in test/practice and I have the same hardware.

I haven't seen this in practice. In fact when I practice/test with
a bunch of cars on the track, it stays at a solid 20 fps. It will
make small dips for a second or so to 15fps, but last night
it was a solid 20-21fps mostly (800x600).

I did a quick race last night and started in the rear. At the start
the framerate was 9 which of course is not acceptable. But after
things sorted out, the framerate was a solid 17fps. However if you
cannot start reasonably I agree it is bad.

For the most part the starts are not. But if you can make it through
the start, the rest of the race would be alright. F1RS was like this
when it was first released, when things were very slow through
the first corner.

The only reason I can see for this is the lack of Glide support.
This game is 100% DirectX/Direct3D which is not very efficient
at all.

I am trying to fix the problem by upgrading from my P2-450
to a P3-600E. This CPU will just pop in my current mother-
board so I shouldn't lose anything and just have a CPU which
is 25% faster. Hopefully then I will be able to edit the system
rating in the F1 2000 config.ini file to 5 and get better per-
formance.

Have you tried this edit yet? It works wonders for some. It
decreased performance for me though :-(

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Nigel

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Nigel » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hi Leon,


works OK with a bit of tweaking.  Turning off mirrors made a *massive*
difference, but also try lowering all detail levels...  I've since seen it

tho.

Also, try playing the first couple of laps using nose-cone view.  (Pass me
the *** simracer flame-proof suit, Robin).


have to launch F12000 first to prevent a kernel error.

Cheers,

Nigel


<snip>

Erwan Gourvene

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Erwan Gourvene » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I have a P3 450 Mhz - 128 Mo RAM and a poor ATI 16 Mo but
i always play at 1024 X 768 with 95 % of the graphics options ON
and my framerate is acceptable (50 Fps in qualifs alone and 20 in race)
One thing very important (but a lot here forget it) is to prepare your PC
for high performance.
Tweak the virtual memory, erase tons of polices, disable antivirus, scanner
, etc... and all others programs in Windows, etc..... will increase a lot
Framerate.
believe me.



> Hi Leon,


it
> works OK with a bit of tweaking.  Turning off mirrors made a *massive*
> difference, but also try lowering all detail levels...  I've since seen it

> tho.

> Also, try playing the first couple of laps using nose-cone view.  (Pass me
> the *** simracer flame-proof suit, Robin).


> have to launch F12000 first to prevent a kernel error.

> Cheers,

> Nigel



> > Is it just me or is F1 2000 REALLY SLOW?

> <snip>

chainbreake

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by chainbreake » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Other suggestions are good.  The mirrors are real framerate-gobblers, so you
might try learning to drive with them off, maybe by using the rear view as a
poor substitute.

Jerry Morelock


kevinga

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by kevinga » Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Within 5 minutes of loading up SCGT I knew that ISI had some serious
problems with their graphics driver. They have now done a somewhat more
ambitious sim, using basically the same engines.

Meanwhile, SBK2K is the first thing I've seen that makes me think there's
life beyond Papy's graphics, and it runs like a champ on my pII-400 voodoo2.

Personally, I think that EA should have their developer who knows what the
hell they are doing sit down and have a chat with the one that dosn't seem
to have a clue.

But then, that's just my opinion.

Andre

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Andre » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

As Greg says, turn off the smoke and dust and things will improve
enormously.
Andrew.




> > Is it just me or is F1 2000 REALLY SLOW?

> It can get bad during the start of a race as you have seen. Especially
> if you have the smoke & dust turned on (even to just low). If you
> haven't gone to www.fraps.com and gotten fraps, you should. You
> will then be able to see the framerate and be able to directly tell
> what is helping your framerate or hurting it.

> > I'm running it on a Pentium II 450 with 128mb RAM and a Voodoo 2
> > card and whilst free practice runs without any problems, as soon

> Agreed. I get 21 fps in test/practice and I have the same hardware.

> > as you get other cars on the track, the FPS drops to an

> I haven't seen this in practice. In fact when I practice/test with
> a bunch of cars on the track, it stays at a solid 20 fps. It will
> make small dips for a second or so to 15fps, but last night
> it was a solid 20-21fps mostly (800x600).

> > unacceptably crappy level. The only way I can speed it up is to
> > turn down the number of visible cars to about 5 which is
> > completely shite.

> I did a quick race last night and started in the rear. At the start
> the framerate was 9 which of course is not acceptable. But after
> things sorted out, the framerate was a solid 17fps. However if you
> cannot start reasonably I agree it is bad.

> > 800x600 works fine in practice mode, and i've tried 640x480 in
> > race mode to try and speed things up, but it's no good.

> > I don't think it's playable at its current FPS.

> For the most part the starts are not. But if you can make it through
> the start, the rest of the race would be alright. F1RS was like this
> when it was first released, when things were very slow through
> the first corner.

> > This is the first game of my PC which has caused it any kind of
> > slowdown, everything else is great. Is the graphics engine just
> > a load of rubbish?

> > Any ideas?

> The only reason I can see for this is the lack of Glide support.
> This game is 100% DirectX/Direct3D which is not very efficient
> at all.

> I am trying to fix the problem by upgrading from my P2-450
> to a P3-600E. This CPU will just pop in my current mother-
> board so I shouldn't lose anything and just have a CPU which
> is 25% faster. Hopefully then I will be able to edit the system
> rating in the F1 2000 config.ini file to 5 and get better per-
> formance.

> Have you tried this edit yet? It works wonders for some. It
> decreased performance for me though :-(

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Don Burnett

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Don Burnett » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yep, it is slow. F12000 is a big time graphics hog. I have turn turn my
detail way down in order to run it at a reasonable frame rate on my Celeron
running at 464 mhz.
I guess it's one of those we can grow into. I plan on buying a 600e chip
here shortly, will be interesting to see how much that helps.
Btw, wasn't GP2 a big graphics hog as well?  I remember trying to run that
thing on a P-90, whoa.
I have to think if they had at least included glide support, it would be
been better.

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Dburn in N3 and Legends


Eldre

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Eldre » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00



>I have a P3 450 Mhz - 128 Mo RAM and a poor ATI 16 Mo but
>i always play at 1024 X 768 with 95 % of the graphics options ON
>and my framerate is acceptable (50 Fps in qualifs alone and 20 in race)
>One thing very important (but a lot here forget it) is to prepare your PC
>for high performance.
>Tweak the virtual memory, erase tons of polices, disable antivirus, scanner
>, etc... and all others programs in Windows, etc..... will increase a lot
>Framerate.
>believe me.

Erase policies?  In win95?

Eldred
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Martyn Danb

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Martyn Danb » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hey Eldred

check out tweak3d.net  (err i think its net)  lotta helpful tweaks in
there for w9x

Md




> >I have a P3 450 Mhz - 128 Mo RAM and a poor ATI 16 Mo but
> >i always play at 1024 X 768 with 95 % of the graphics options ON
> >and my framerate is acceptable (50 Fps in qualifs alone and 20 in race)
> >One thing very important (but a lot here forget it) is to prepare your PC
> >for high performance.
> >Tweak the virtual memory, erase tons of polices, disable antivirus, scanner
> >, etc... and all others programs in Windows, etc..... will increase a lot
> >Framerate.
> >believe me.

> Erase policies?  In win95?

> Eldred
> --
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Javi

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Javi » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

chainbreaker escribi:

I don't know if has been said here.

I get a big improvement in framerate with my V3 disabling vsync in D3D,
I use the Gary Peterson V3 overclocking utility for this.

I gain around 15 fps. Now I get ~50 fps in a PII 400, V3 2000, 128 Mb,
LWFF, driving
1024x768, solo, no mirrors, no dust, an most options off.

JaviF

Don Whitn

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Don Whitn » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00


says...



> > Is it just me or is F1 2000 REALLY SLOW?

> > I'm running it on a Pentium II 450 with 128mb RAM and a Voodoo 2
> > card and whilst free practice runs without any problems, as soon
> > as you get other cars on the track, the FPS drops to an
> > unacceptably crappy level. The only way I can speed it up is to
> > turn down the number of visible cars to about 5 which is
> > completely shite.

> Within 5 minutes of loading up SCGT I knew that ISI had some serious
> problems with their graphics driver. They have now done a somewhat more
> ambitious sim, using basically the same engines.

> Meanwhile, SBK2K is the first thing I've seen that makes me think there's
> life beyond Papy's graphics, and it runs like a champ on my pII-400 voodoo2.

> Personally, I think that EA should have their developer who knows what the
> hell they are doing sit down and have a chat with the one that dosn't seem
> to have a clue.

> But then, that's just my opinion.

I agree 100%! Just take a look at NFS PU. This is definately a case of
the right hand -EA Sports- needing to talk to the left hand -ISI. You
could however, easily argue the opposite for car physics and overall
realism.

Donovan

Greg Cisk

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Greg Cisk » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00


I can tell you... I just did the upgrade yesterday. Test fps went from 17-21
to 21-24 with the 600E. The race went from 9-17 to 12-19 (mostly at 18).
So you will not see 2X but it does seem to scale with CPU speed (I had
a P2-450 which I am selling for $120 if anyone is interested). I was able to
start in the rear of the field for the race and take the lead in 4.5 laps so
there were no framerate troubles like with the P2-450.

Correct. But GP2 did not have the chance to be 3D accelerated.
Now we have 3D acceleration and while I love F1 2000, there
really is no excuse for crappy framerates in this day & age. IMHO :-)

*WAY* better. I am kind of thinking there will be a glide patch :-)

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Eldre

F1 2000 - Bloody Slow or What!

by Eldre » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00


writes:

Ok, thanks.
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