What would be the best sound card for NR1999 and GPL?
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>>What would be the best sound card for NR1999 and GPL?
I've been burned a couple times with video cards this way and I won't
let it happen again if I can help it. The STB 4400 drivers don't work
and Hercules has yet to release an approved win98 driver for their
thriller 3d. In the later case, I'll bet we never see one. Ah the
price of the leading/bleeding edge.
Jeff
I recently (4 days ago) selected and installed the SB-Live. I have to
say that it sounds a LOT better than my old Guillemot Maxi Sound. I've
never seen or heard an MX-300, but I am not prone to buying ANYTHING from
Diamond because their track record for supporting legacy hardware
(something they came out with last week, for example) is not very good at
all.
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Eric,
Thank you for clarifying what "real world" results and usage would be.
I would not have guessed that based on the results. Every time I think
I've learned something it becomes clear that I've actually lost
ground:) It is extremely difficult to dig through benchmarks vs real
world when most software companies won't tell you what it all means
and about the only real world bench mark used is Quake. It also seems
hard for the software developers to decide which APIs to support and
which will be optimal for their engine/cpu load/video function mix.
By the way, I wrote tech support for STB per your suggestion asking
that they fix their drivers to better support the OpenGL calls used by
GPL and never got the courtesy of a reply. Now that 3dfx owns STB I'm
sure that a Riva chipset will get their full attention :)
Jeff
Please stop writing Usenet message in HTML, especially with a 19kb image
attached to it each time. It's a pain to download each time, and this is
the last post I will read from you. You should question yourself why your
post are in average 500% bigger than all the others (2kb from 20kb).
HTML is a language for the World Wide Web, not the USENET.
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For the record - I have been using Diamond ever since the Stealth 64VRAM 4 years
ago. I have had nothing but GREAT tech support and frequent driver updates for
that card,
my monster
my monster 2
my mx200
and now my mx300 (which just had new drivers released a week ago)
Diamond's tech support problems were a fact about 5 years ago but they have
cleaned up their act and are one of the best hardware companies out there.
As for the Live card, I've always had great luck with Creative cards until I
stuck this lemon in my computer. Not only did my machine lock up at random
intervals for 3 weeks until I removed the card:
the game port on that card sucked so bad that my Gravis Xterminator wouldn't
calibrate AT ALL.
My Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro Wheel wouldn't calibrate the pedals correctly so I
couldn't get full brakes or gas.
Creative saw fit to dump 75mb worth of shitty software on my hard drive
including some atrocious task-bar on my desktop. Then it offered no UNinstall
options when it came time to remove the card so I had to manually remove
software and over 120 registry entries using regedit.
At least once I got the Live OUT and the MX300 put in, my machine hasn't locked
up since and all my joypads,sticks and wheels are calibrating and running
perfectly.
And yesterday I found that the SPDIF I/O (which was the only thing this card had
going for it) is a FAKE. That's right - all the signals are being processed in
the card through ANALOG then getting converted to digital when they go out of
the SPDIF I/O. So if you use the SPDIF of your CDROM to dump digital CD audio
into the card - it gets converted to old-fashion analog then converted back out
to digital but I guarantee it won't be as pure as the input.
Creative Labs peaked when they released the AWE64. Now they are just trying to
stay in the 3D Sound market with these feeble attempts at competition. They've
taken a pure 3D sound routine like A3D and bastardized it by creating EAX which
is nothing more than a bunch of preset reverbs that programmers can assign to
various rooms and environments. It doesn't allow for reflections or occlusions
or any objects which may happen to be IN that room.
Nope - I can't think of one redeeming thing to say about the LIVE! other than I
did like that THUNDER sound effect the put in my Windows Startup.
>The mx300 is an infant at the moment and with the end result coming from
>diamond (reknowed for its non support) Maybe when all the shit has been
>ironed out the card would be trouble free and used to its full potential. At
>the moment i'm happy for a fully working live that sounds great and is
>trouble free.
>no offence
The mx300 is an infant at the moment and with the end result coming from
diamond (reknowed for its non support) Maybe when all the shit has been
ironed out the card would be trouble free and used to its full potential. At
the moment i'm happy for a fully working live that sounds great and is
trouble free.
no offence
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all opinions expressed while drunk, stoned and flying through clouds.
For the record I have a Live, and its a very good card.
But I do think the Diamond MX300 is slightly a better card.
Just look at Half-Life using the MX300 and Live, MX300 just sounds so much
better.
Though you can't go wrong with the SB Live either, hey these 2 cards are far
superior then good ol SB16 and those shitty opti sound cards.
Arthur
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>For the record - I have been using Diamond ever since the Stealth 64VRAM 4
years
>ago. I have had nothing but GREAT tech support and frequent driver updates
for
>that card,
>my monster
>my monster 2
>my mx200
>and now my mx300 (which just had new drivers released a week ago)
>Diamond's tech support problems were a fact about 5 years ago but they have
>cleaned up their act and are one of the best hardware companies out there.
>As for the Live card, I've always had great luck with Creative cards until
I
>stuck this lemon in my computer. Not only did my machine lock up at random
>intervals for 3 weeks until I removed the card:
>the game port on that card sucked so bad that my Gravis Xterminator
wouldn't
>calibrate AT ALL.
>My Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro Wheel wouldn't calibrate the pedals correctly so
I
>couldn't get full brakes or gas.
>Creative saw fit to dump 75mb worth of shitty software on my hard drive
>including some atrocious task-bar on my desktop. Then it offered no
UNinstall
>options when it came time to remove the card so I had to manually remove
>software and over 120 registry entries using regedit.
>At least once I got the Live OUT and the MX300 put in, my machine hasn't
locked
>up since and all my joypads,sticks and wheels are calibrating and running
>perfectly.
>And yesterday I found that the SPDIF I/O (which was the only thing this
card had
>going for it) is a FAKE. That's right - all the signals are being
processed in
>the card through ANALOG then getting converted to digital when they go out
of
>the SPDIF I/O. So if you use the SPDIF of your CDROM to dump digital CD
audio
>into the card - it gets converted to old-fashion analog then converted back
out
>to digital but I guarantee it won't be as pure as the input.
>Creative Labs peaked when they released the AWE64. Now they are just
trying to
>stay in the 3D Sound market with these feeble attempts at competition.
They've
>taken a pure 3D sound routine like A3D and bastardized it by creating EAX
which
>is nothing more than a bunch of preset reverbs that programmers can assign
to
>various rooms and environments. It doesn't allow for reflections or
occlusions
>or any objects which may happen to be IN that room.
>Nope - I can't think of one redeeming thing to say about the LIVE! other
than I
>did like that THUNDER sound effect the put in my Windows Startup.
>>Nice review of the sblive V's mx300 sinjin. Take a gander over at the
sblive
>>newsgroup and they are bashing you over there over a un-technical biased
>>review. Havent read it myself. Though i like your game walkthroughs.
>>The mx300 is an infant at the moment and with the end result coming from
>>diamond (reknowed for its non support) Maybe when all the shit has been
>>ironed out the card would be trouble free and used to its full potential.
At
>>the moment i'm happy for a fully working live that sounds great and is
>>trouble free.
>>no offence
Brian
>Jeff
I bought, play (albeit not much recently!), and love GPL, but I'll
still read every review of it I see. Same goes for other games and
hardware.
I'm also interested in the competition. I own a SB-Live! which I'm
extremely happy with, but knowing how it compares to other newer cards
keeps me up to date.
Stuart
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