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F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

J.R.

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by J.R. » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:35:49

I am the proud owner of F12002 and personally I love it. It really brings
out the racer in me when I'm doing a 20-lapper of Silverstone or Nurburgring
against ten other guys I don't know who are just as eager to shove me off
the track and claim the win for themselves :)

I bought F1C, the "successor" to F12002, today. Perhaps it's just me, but I
was extremely disappointed with the game. I did a Test Run on Silverstone
just to see how it was, and I found the following:

1. Engine sounds seem very, very muted compared to F1 2002.

2. I noticed I now have to brake going into Stowe and the last turn in the
Becketts complex where previously I could lift the gas and cruise through on
F1 2002. I'm not sure which version of the game is right/wrong/whatever, but
it's annoying. :(

3. My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (Red) seems to have a 0.3 second
delay between me inputting a command (turning, braking, etc.) and it being
done in the game, whereas I didn't have this problem with F1 2002.

My system is well above the recommended standards for both games
(2.53GHz/1GigRAM/G4Ti4600) yet I'm feeling really dissatisfied with F1C so
far in comparison to F12002.

I'm just looking for discussions here. If you feel the same way or you want
to persuade me that F1C is better, I'm willing to listen to both, but at
this moment in time I feel like I'm going to bring the game back to the
store.

Cheers,
J.R.

ae

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by ae » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:48:24



That has been discussed here at length before. groups.google.com will
help you find the solution.

Andrew.

J.R.

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by J.R. » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:16:43

Thank you, that's fixed, which is something I guess :/

J.R>

SixEastMai

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by SixEastMai » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:14:35

I too found the same thing, however in reverse. I had driven Grand Prix
Legends first and then F1C and they seemed very similar in physics and
realism. I suppose this is because Doug Arnao had his hands in both. I'm
used to and like that loose feeling. If burping the throttle too soon in a
turn spins you, then I'm happy. I love wheel and throttle response. : ) To
me, F12K2 is too tight and in my opinion arcadish in it's feel. The only bad
thing that I see at the moment for F1C is that not many of the excellent
mods that came out for F12K2 are available for it. Also, I believe that the
community burned out with it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving
realism and challenge, I prefer F1C.

Peter


Dave Henri

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Dave Henri » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:46:17



 The only bad thing that I see at the moment for
   The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or more
realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in 2k2,
then I would guess that should be a good thing.  The online capability for
C should also be better although I have found a few issues already.  Most
tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more and more
you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having to hack
the C track to enable it for 2k2.  
   Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and once
they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and variable  
track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and 2k2
will really begin to be evident.  
   The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All over
the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid
more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low price.
(dave)the beancounter(henrie)

Chad Pierc

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Chad Pierc » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:15:53

So where did you find it for 19.99.
The Best BUY web site still shows it at 39.99.
--
Chad Pierce




>  The only bad thing that I see at the moment for
> > F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2 are
> > available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with
> > it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and
> > challenge, I prefer F1C.

> > Peter

>    The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or more
> realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in 2k2,
> then I would guess that should be a good thing.  The online capability for
> C should also be better although I have found a few issues already.  Most
> tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more and more
> you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having to hack
> the C track to enable it for 2k2.
>    Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and
once
> they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and
variable
> track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and 2k2
> will really begin to be evident.
>    The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All over
> the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid
> more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low
price.
> (dave)the beancounter(henrie)

SixEastMai

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by SixEastMai » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:47:04

I got F1C for 19.99 at Electronics Boutique and I got F12K2 for 13.99 at
Circuit City. All this past weekend.

Peter


> So where did you find it for 19.99.
> The Best BUY web site still shows it at 39.99.
> --
> Chad Pierce





> >  The only bad thing that I see at the moment for
> > > F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2 are
> > > available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with
> > > it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and
> > > challenge, I prefer F1C.

> > > Peter

> >    The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or
more
> > realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in
2k2,
> > then I would guess that should be a good thing.  The online capability
for
> > C should also be better although I have found a few issues already.
Most
> > tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more and
more
> > you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having to
hack
> > the C track to enable it for 2k2.
> >    Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and
> once
> > they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and
> variable
> > track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and 2k2
> > will really begin to be evident.
> >    The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All
over
> > the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid
> > more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low
> price.
> > (dave)the beancounter(henrie)

Haqsa

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Haqsa » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:45:21

When I first tried F1C it left me a little unsatisfied too.  But I got some
good advice from this group on how to fix some things, I stuck with it, and
now I not only do not play F1 2002 I don't even play any of the F1 2002 mods
any more.  It's just really good once you get it set up and working
properly.  Primary differences are that the physics are much more
true-to-life now, and the setups are quite a bit different than before.  The
tire model has more traction but is somewhat less forgiving, and the
downforce has been reduced significantly.  You will have to actually take
turns at realistic speeds now.  Also the setups are just not right for me.
They may be very fast in Doug Arnao's hands, but I'm no Doug Arnao.  So I
had to spend some time learning realistic lines and cornering speeds, and I
had to work up my own setups before I really felt comfortable with it.  But
now I love it and hardly play any other sims.

Regarding the engine sounds being muted, which view do you drive from?  It
sounds fine in the***pit view, but is perhaps a bit muted from the TV
***pit view.  Also there are player file tweaks to turn up the traction
control sound, if you are so inclined.


jason moy

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by jason moy » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:05:34



After driving my own setups for the last couple months, I tried going
back to the defaults and it was incredibly odd.  I couldn't do half a
lap without feeling nauseous from all the suspension travel and/or
looping the car a dozen times.

Jason

whatu

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by whatu » Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:34:57

Hey it's only 19.95. What were you expecting over 2002?

Mitch_

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Mitch_ » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:28:52

Hey Jason would ya mind sharing a setup for Hungary?  Maybe even a few
pointers, things you change first second etc.  I cant get under a 21 to save
my life.  Sadly Ive turned more practice laps here than any other track :)

Ive searched but havent found to many setups for F1C.  Team Redline has a
few but still kinda sparse.

TIA

Mitch
n a m a n  at pacbell dot net.




> >turns at realistic speeds now.  Also the setups are just not right for
me.
> >They may be very fast in Doug Arnao's hands, but I'm no Doug Arnao.

> After driving my own setups for the last couple months, I tried going
> back to the defaults and it was incredibly odd.  I couldn't do half a
> lap without feeling nauseous from all the suspension travel and/or
> looping the car a dozen times.

> Jason

jason moy

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by jason moy » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:47:53



Well, I'm a slowbie, so my setups are a.) tight b.) stable c.) tight
d.) tight and e.) tight.  If you can deal with that then you're
welcome to them, I'll try and whip something up for Hungary (haven't
even done a lap yet, but I use basically the same setup everywhere
with minor tweaks).

Jason

Mitch_

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Mitch_ » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:57:18

I'd appreciate it, thanks!  I like the idea of a universal stable setup for
sure, I really dont know where to start so a baseline setup should do the
trick.  Thanks bud.

remove the nospam

so my setups are a.) tight b.) stable c.) tight

Biz

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Biz » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:46:48

If you want universal setups why dont you just start with the default grip setups for each circuit?
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


> I'd appreciate it, thanks!  I like the idea of a universal stable setup for
> sure, I really dont know where to start so a baseline setup should do the
> trick.  Thanks bud.

> remove the nospam


> so my setups are a.) tight b.) stable c.) tight
> > d.) tight and e.) tight.  If you can deal with that then you're
> > welcome to them, I'll try and whip something up for Hungary (haven't
> > even done a lap yet, but I use basically the same setup everywhere
> > with minor tweaks).

> > Jason

Mitch_

F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

by Mitch_ » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:35:32

It must be me :)  I can get consistent 1.22's using the default Hungary
setup but obviously this isnt going to cut it competing against 1.16's.  My
thinking is a "better" baseline setup than default would at least give me
something to compare to the defaults.

On another F1 note can anyone point me in a direction for a F1C setup guide?

Mitch


setups for each circuit?


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