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Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

Euan Gilmou

Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

by Euan Gilmou » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:42:03

Finally made the jump from console racing after lurking here for a year.
Trying to get by on my 266 PII with an old Hercules Stingray card.  Working
quite well 17 fps at the beginning and 24 -27 fps out alone, which I reckon
is good enough for my old eyes.  Now I need a wheel, there is an original
NASCAR for $39.99 at EB and Logitech FF at Future shop for $109.99 (all
prices in CDN$).  Apart from the money issue I worry that the FF will take
processing power and drop my FPS (which right now is ok, I think, but
marginal)  Any thoughts?

Euan " On the Information Highway of Life I'm Driving a Dodge Dart" Gilmour

p.s. Other questions I've had since I've been lurking

    1. Why is CPR so shitty?  Is it MS animosity?  Didn't the patch fix it?
Is it completely useless? GameSpot liked it, or does that say more about
GameSpot?

    2. Having trouble finding a lot of the tracks I used to see on the web.
i.e.. Riverside.  Is there a place where they all are?  The Pits is the link
I get on most pages but it's down. Is that recent? Permanent?

    3. Besides GPL what games should I get, given my system constraints?
(What I'm thinking about is other Sierra games to use for tracks for GPL). I
picked up CART RACING yesterday in the delete bin. From the GPL Web sites I
take it that it is IndyCar II?  Is it exactly or are there any changes that
***with the Track conversions for GPL?  Should I get Sprint Car or N2 or
N3 or N99?

4.    As for CART RACING (Indy Car II) I don't think it actually has the
IMS.  Is that out there some where?  Are new teams & drivers out there?

5.    Planning on Hooking up SCGT too.  What are good web resources for it?
Has anyone built La Sarthe for it?

6.    And in a shameless attempt to start a long hypothetical thread, I like
the idea of GPL II being 80's turbo cars I think that would be great
especially trying to learn to handle the lag.  But what year should they
use? If it was 1982 would Giles be available for all races? Should it be
early in the era where half the grid still had Cosworth's? (That would be
very interesting but hard to program in that it would be two totally
different physics algorithm).

SpeedFree

Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

by SpeedFree » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:20:15


>Finally made the jump from console racing after lurking here for a year.
>Trying to get by on my 266 PII with an old Hercules Stingray card.  Working
>quite well 17 fps at the beginning and 24 -27 fps out alone, which I reckon
>is good enough for my old eyes.  Now I need a wheel, there is an original
>NASCAR for $39.99 at EB and Logitech FF at Future shop for $109.99 (all
>prices in CDN$).  Apart from the money issue I worry that the FF will take
>processing power and drop my FPS (which right now is ok, I think, but
>marginal)  Any thoughts?

I think ALL FF wheels make a hit on the CPU.
The old Logitech wheel, the LWFF was one of the less cpu intensive wheels, I
could use it in GPL on my PII 233. I couldn't use the Microsoft wheel
without BIG hits on the FPS, but the LWFF hardly affected my FPS at all.

Lol SF.

Rob Adam

Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

by Rob Adam » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:48:20

I had a Microsoft Sidewinder FF joystick when I was playing Sports Car GT
(SCGT) and had to turn FF off to prevent a slide show (PII 333, Voodoo3).
When I got my LWFF, I could see no discernable difference between FF on and
off. Same with other games - NFSPU, Nascar 3, GPL, etc.

So yeah, all FF peripherals will load the CPU to some extent, but the
Microsoft wheels seem to be by far the worst.



> >Finally made the jump from console racing after lurking here for a year.
> >Trying to get by on my 266 PII with an old Hercules Stingray card.
Working
> >quite well 17 fps at the beginning and 24 -27 fps out alone, which I
reckon
> >is good enough for my old eyes.  Now I need a wheel, there is an original
> >NASCAR for $39.99 at EB and Logitech FF at Future shop for $109.99 (all
> >prices in CDN$).  Apart from the money issue I worry that the FF will
take
> >processing power and drop my FPS (which right now is ok, I think, but
> >marginal)  Any thoughts?

> I think ALL FF wheels make a hit on the CPU.
> The old Logitech wheel, the LWFF was one of the less cpu intensive wheels,
I
> could use it in GPL on my PII 233. I couldn't use the Microsoft wheel
> without BIG hits on the FPS, but the LWFF hardly affected my FPS at all.

> Lol SF.

Simon Brow

Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

by Simon Brow » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:52:12

The frame rate hit with the Guillemot, or old Logitech, is really small,
maybe 1-2 fps (maybe less, can't really remember).  The MS wheel has quite a
noticeable frame-rate hit, particularly the USB version (surprisingly), bad
enough that I had to return mine.

I currently use the Guillemot Ferrari with the pedals from a MS precision
racing wheel (both wheels plugged into 2 usb ports), and it's an awesome
combo.  And force-feedback is definitely worth using.


Haqsa

Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

by Haqsa » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:05:34

Guillemot and Logitech both use I-Force, don't they?  Microsoft would
presumably use DirectX.  I wonder if that is the difference.


> The frame rate hit with the Guillemot, or old Logitech, is really
small,
> maybe 1-2 fps (maybe less, can't really remember).  The MS wheel has
quite a
> noticeable frame-rate hit, particularly the USB version
(surprisingly), bad
> enough that I had to return mine.

> I currently use the Guillemot Ferrari with the pedals from a MS
precision
> racing wheel (both wheels plugged into 2 usb ports), and it's an
awesome
> combo.  And force-feedback is definitely worth using.



> > Finally made the jump from console racing after lurking here for a
year.
> > Trying to get by on my 266 PII with an old Hercules Stingray card.
> Working
> > quite well 17 fps at the beginning and 24 -27 fps out alone, which I
> reckon
> > is good enough for my old eyes.  Now I need a wheel, there is an
original
> > NASCAR for $39.99 at EB and Logitech FF at Future shop for $109.99
(all
> > prices in CDN$).  Apart from the money issue I worry that the FF
will take
> > processing power and drop my FPS (which right now is ok, I think,
but
> > marginal)  Any thoughts?

Simon Brow

Does Using A FF Wheel Make the FPS Take a Hit in GPL? And other questions?

by Simon Brow » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:15:02

Dunno to be honest. I don't think it's that simple though, since GPL uses
DirectInput, so even on a Guillemot Ferrari, you are still using DirectX.

I read somewhere that the MS wheel uses a lot of CPU cycles generating it's
FF effects, so that's probably it.

Either way, a good reason not to get one :)



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